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Q:Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail? A:Yes

An 'unofficial' forum for those who either work for Royal Mail or are looking to work for Royal Mail through the Angard Staffing Agency.This is an open forum.
JayneeBee
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Q:Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail? A:Yes

Post by JayneeBee »

I have just heard that Angard is owned by Royal Mail - is this fact ????

Would royal mail be allowed to award themselves a contract?
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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JayneeBee wrote:I have just heard that Angard is owned by Royal Mail - is this fact ????

Would royal mail be allowed to award themselves a contract?
:crazy:
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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Yes.
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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JayneeBee wrote:
JayneeBee wrote:I have just heard that Angard is owned by Royal Mail - is this fact ????

Would royal mail be allowed to award themselves a contract?
:crazy:
You need to read up about Angard on here Bee, RM own Angard, so don't have any contact to award themselves lol
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

Post by JayneeBee »

Is this not against EU competition rules?
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

Post by ERINGS »

Hi see below

Extracts from various articles already in the public domain

1.
Angard Staffing Solutions Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Royal Mail. It doesn’t just handle temporary staff over Christmas. There appears to be no way to get a job as a postal worker these days except by going through Angard. Is this the future of work in Britain?

From the LRB blog.

2.
Royal Mail has hit back against union claims that it has deliberately set up its own recruitment agency to “get around” the Agency Workers Regulations (AWR).

Earlier this week, The Daily Mirror reported the Communication Workers Union’s slamming Royal Mail’s decision to set up its own agency — Angard Staffing Solutions, with CWU deputy general secretary Dave Ward calling the launch of the agency a “deliberate attempt to get around the agency regulations” and “a clear sign of Royal Mail preparing to casualise the industry”.

3.
ROYAL Mail has sparked outrage by secretly setting up its own recruitment agency to fill thousands of temporary jobs.

Unions fear the move is a “devious ploy” to save money and get around new rights for agency workers coming into force at the weekend. They also claim it is part of a shift towards using more “casual” posties that is damaging delivery services.

The Communication Workers’ Union believes management would like to follow the example of the Dutch, who rely on an army of students, mums and retired people who fit in deliveries when it suits them. Under new rules, temporary staff have the right to the same pay and conditions as full-timers if hired through a third party.

But Department of Business guidance says “those who are likely to be outside of the regulations include… where a company employs its temporary workers directly”.

CWU deputy general secretary, Dave Ward, said: “The creation of a separate company to recruit and manage casual labour smacks of a deliberate attempt to get around the agency regulations. It is a clear sign of Royal Mail preparing to casualise the industry.”

But Royal Mail last night dismissed the claims over its new in-house recruitment agency Angard as “nonsense”.

A spokesman said: “Through Angard, our costs are lower than we’d pay to external agencies.” He added that its main job would be to recruit 18,000 temporary staff for the busy Christmas period.

Daily Mirror 28/09/2011
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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ERINGS wrote:Hi see below

Extracts from various articles already in the public domain

1.
Angard Staffing Solutions Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Royal Mail. It doesn’t just handle temporary staff over Christmas. There appears to be no way to get a job as a postal worker these days except by going through Angard. Is this the future of work in Britain?

From the LRB blog.

2.
Royal Mail has hit back against union claims that it has deliberately set up its own recruitment agency to “get around” the Agency Workers Regulations (AWR).

Earlier this week, The Daily Mirror reported the Communication Workers Union’s slamming Royal Mail’s decision to set up its own agency — Angard Staffing Solutions, with CWU deputy general secretary Dave Ward calling the launch of the agency a “deliberate attempt to get around the agency regulations” and “a clear sign of Royal Mail preparing to casualise the industry”.

3.
ROYAL Mail has sparked outrage by secretly setting up its own recruitment agency to fill thousands of temporary jobs.

Unions fear the move is a “devious ploy” to save money and get around new rights for agency workers coming into force at the weekend. They also claim it is part of a shift towards using more “casual” posties that is damaging delivery services.

The Communication Workers’ Union believes management would like to follow the example of the Dutch, who rely on an army of students, mums and retired people who fit in deliveries when it suits them. Under new rules, temporary staff have the right to the same pay and conditions as full-timers if hired through a third party.

But Department of Business guidance says “those who are likely to be outside of the regulations include… where a company employs its temporary workers directly”.

CWU deputy general secretary, Dave Ward, said: “The creation of a separate company to recruit and manage casual labour smacks of a deliberate attempt to get around the agency regulations. It is a clear sign of Royal Mail preparing to casualise the industry.”

But Royal Mail last night dismissed the claims over its new in-house recruitment agency Angard as “nonsense”.

A spokesman said: “Through Angard, our costs are lower than we’d pay to external agencies.” He added that its main job would be to recruit 18,000 temporary staff for the busy Christmas period.

Daily Mirror 28/09/2011
recruit 18,000 staff over xmas busy period and never pay them :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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madcyril71 wrote:
ERINGS wrote:Hi see below

A spokesman said: “Through Angard, our costs are lower than we’d pay to external agencies.” He added that its main job would be to recruit 18,000 temporary staff for the busy Christmas period.
recruit 18,000 staff over xmas busy period and never pay them :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy :Very Happy
Well that does reduce costs. :roll: :roll:
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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The way these poor men/women are being treated is obscene!!! The anxiety of not knowing if you will be sent home early and only be paid for half a shift or if you will be paid AT ALL must be crippling especially at this time of year???

Angard management are positively useless. How can you set people to work and expect them to be OK with not being paid for their hours ??
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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If the Angard story goes nuclear these two will be in the firing line next week.
They are the two members of Royal Mail's board also on the board of directors at Angard.

John Duncan - Group HR Director
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John Duncan was appointed Group HR Director in November 2010, with responsibility for health and safety, talent management, learning and development, industrial relations, rewards and recognition and employee engagement. He was previously Senior Vice-President, Human Resources, Canada Post Corporation and a member of the Board of Directors at SCI Group Inc. a leading outsourced supply chain services and network logistics firm. He has held prior senior executive and management roles at Canada Post in Sales, Corporate Security and Operations. John has a BA in Law from Carleton University and an MBA from the University of Ottawa. He is also a Certified Human Resources Professional and a Chartered Director.


Kath Harmeston - Director of Procurement
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Kath joined Royal Mail in January 2009. She is responsible for the development and delivery of Group Procurement Strategy and for the Managing our Costs programme. Prior to joining Royal Mail Kath was Head of Procurement Transformation and Defence Partner at Atos Consulting. Kath has significant experience in designing and leading award-winning procurement and supply chain transformation programmes in both the private and public sectors - nationally and internationally. Kath's background lies in industrial chemical research and line roles within procurement.



If this turns out to be as bad as it appears to be with regards to media coverage,i would imagine Royal Mail are already working on a damage limitation plan.
Someone still may have to take the fall.
It won't be John Duncan...he is Moya's man,brought over by her from Canada Post.
They may try to push the blame over to Reed but i wouldn't expect them to take that lying down,Reed are an experienced recruitment agency,Angard aren't.

They won't get away with bollocks like this next week.....

The Royal Mail says it is “very confident” that negative comments made about its in-house agency Angard Staffing Solutions represent the views of “a very small minority”. :silenced
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

Post by madcyril71 »

fishtank wrote:If the Angard story goes nuclear these two will be in the firing line next week.
They are the two members of Royal Mail's board also on the board of directors at Angard.

John Duncan - Group HR Director
Image
John Duncan was appointed Group HR Director in November 2010, with responsibility for health and safety, talent management, learning and development, industrial relations, rewards and recognition and employee engagement. He was previously Senior Vice-President, Human Resources, Canada Post Corporation and a member of the Board of Directors at SCI Group Inc. a leading outsourced supply chain services and network logistics firm. He has held prior senior executive and management roles at Canada Post in Sales, Corporate Security and Operations. John has a BA in Law from Carleton University and an MBA from the University of Ottawa. He is also a Certified Human Resources Professional and a Chartered Director.


Kath Harmeston - Director of Procurement
Image
Kath joined Royal Mail in January 2009. She is responsible for the development and delivery of Group Procurement Strategy and for the Managing our Costs programme. Prior to joining Royal Mail Kath was Head of Procurement Transformation and Defence Partner at Atos Consulting. Kath has significant experience in designing and leading award-winning procurement and supply chain transformation programmes in both the private and public sectors - nationally and internationally. Kath's background lies in industrial chemical research and line roles within procurement.



If this turns out to be as bad as it appears to be with regards to media coverage,i would imagine Royal Mail are already working on a damage limitation plan.
Someone still may have to take the fall.
It won't be John Duncan...he is Moya's man,brought over by her from Canada Post.
They may try to push the blame over to Reed but i wouldn't expect them to take that lying down,Reed are an experienced recruitment agency,Angard aren't.

They won't get away with bollocks like this next week.....

The Royal Mail says it is “very confident” that negative comments made about its in-house agency Angard Staffing Solutions represent the views of “a very small minority”. :silenced

you got to love the last line negative comments very small minority only 18,000 people
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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Why is it that all years previously casuals were employed by royal mail and now this year its angard is it because the government brought in agency rights beginning of october or something?
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

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mahrm1 wrote:Why is it that all years previously casuals were employed by royal mail and now this year its angard is it because the government brought in agency rights beginning of october or something?
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Re: Is Angard actually owned by Royal Mail?

Post by hantsman »

fishtank wrote:If the Angard story goes nuclear these two will be in the firing line next week.
They are the two members of Royal Mail's board also on the board of directors at Angard.

John Duncan - Group HR Director
Image
John Duncan was appointed Group HR Director in November 2010, with responsibility for health and safety, talent management, learning and development, industrial relations, rewards and recognition and employee engagement. He was previously Senior Vice-President, Human Resources, Canada Post Corporation and a member of the Board of Directors at SCI Group Inc. a leading outsourced supply chain services and network logistics firm. He has held prior senior executive and management roles at Canada Post in Sales, Corporate Security and Operations. John has a BA in Law from Carleton University and an MBA from the University of Ottawa. He is also a Certified Human Resources Professional and a Chartered Director.


Kath Harmeston - Director of Procurement
Image
Kath joined Royal Mail in January 2009. She is responsible for the development and delivery of Group Procurement Strategy and for the Managing our Costs programme. Prior to joining Royal Mail Kath was Head of Procurement Transformation and Defence Partner at Atos Consulting. Kath has significant experience in designing and leading award-winning procurement and supply chain transformation programmes in both the private and public sectors - nationally and internationally. Kath's background lies in industrial chemical research and line roles within procurement.



If this turns out to be as bad as it appears to be with regards to media coverage,i would imagine Royal Mail are already working on a damage limitation plan.
Someone still may have to take the fall.
It won't be John Duncan...he is Moya's man,brought over by her from Canada Post.
They may try to push the blame over to Reed but i wouldn't expect them to take that lying down,Reed are an experienced recruitment agency,Angard aren't.

They won't get away with bollocks like this next week.....

The Royal Mail says it is “very confident” that negative comments made about its in-house agency Angard Staffing Solutions represent the views of “a very small minority”. :silenced

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fishtank wrote:If the Angard story goes nuclear these two will be in the firing line next week.
They are the two members of Royal Mail's board also on the board of directors at Angard.

John Duncan - Group HR Director
Image
John Duncan was appointed Group HR Director in November 2010, with responsibility for health and safety, talent management, learning and development, industrial relations, rewards and recognition and employee engagement. He was previously Senior Vice-President, Human Resources, Canada Post Corporation and a member of the Board of Directors at SCI Group Inc. a leading outsourced supply chain services and network logistics firm. He has held prior senior executive and management roles at Canada Post in Sales, Corporate Security and Operations. John has a BA in Law from Carleton University and an MBA from the University of Ottawa. He is also a Certified Human Resources Professional and a Chartered Director.


Kath Harmeston - Director of Procurement
Image
Kath joined Royal Mail in January 2009. She is responsible for the development and delivery of Group Procurement Strategy and for the Managing our Costs programme. Prior to joining Royal Mail Kath was Head of Procurement Transformation and Defence Partner at Atos Consulting. Kath has significant experience in designing and leading award-winning procurement and supply chain transformation programmes in both the private and public sectors - nationally and internationally. Kath's background lies in industrial chemical research and line roles within procurement.



If this turns out to be as bad as it appears to be with regards to media coverage,i would imagine Royal Mail are already working on a damage limitation plan.
Someone still may have to take the fall.
It won't be John Duncan...he is Moya's man,brought over by her from Canada Post.
They may try to push the blame over to Reed but i wouldn't expect them to take that lying down,Reed are an experienced recruitment agency,Angard aren't.

They won't get away with bollocks like this next week.....

The Royal Mail says it is “very confident” that negative comments made about its in-house agency Angard Staffing Solutions represent the views of “a very small minority”. :silenced
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