Early starts - whats the problem?

[Edward Hunter]

My office in London has started at 6.30am for a good few months now. Why are people so bothered about starting later? Its an extra half hour in bed for me, which i dont mind. As far as i understand it RM has had this forced on them by european regulations, and now have kept the early allowance for you lot out of london. Am i missing something or do you lot like getting up in the middle of the night!

[axeman]

mate of armni's are you ????? rather finnish earlier thank you very much tw** ,,,,,mising something ....yes a few brain cells i think

[stubaby]

My office in London has started at 6.30am for a good few months now. Why are people so bothered about starting later? Its an extra half hour in bed for me, which i dont mind. As far as i understand it RM has had this forced on them by european regulations, and now have kept the early allowance for you lot out of london. Am i missing something or do you lot like getting up in the middle of the night!

For me i dont want to start earlier and saturdays must stay short but its also the EA being taken against us its a point of prinicple.
Once you let EA your f****d you have to protect your rights.

[BELIAL]

Yes you are missing something.

[mrlovepantsuk]

My office in London has started at 6.30am for a good few months now. Why are people so bothered about starting later? Its an extra half hour in bed for me, which i dont mind. As far as i understand it RM has had this forced on them by european regulations, and now have kept the early allowance for you lot out of london. Am i missing something or do you lot like getting up in the middle of the night!

for a start we start at 4.30 am and as for the eu regulations we are only talking about 4mph difference.
the allowances are only guaranteed for 3 years and despite their promises we all know what rm are capable of.
a lot of us wouldnt have joined rm if it wasnt for the hours, we need or want to finish early.

[Edward Hunter]

mate of armni's are you ????? rather finnish earlier thank you very much tw** ,,,,,mising something ....yes a few brain cells i think

Thanks for the civilised reply you utter prick . If you like to finish earlier fair enough, thats your opinion.I dont have a clue who the hell armni is btw.Not quite up to speed with the EA situation seeing as i have never recieved it during my 20 years service.My understanding of the situation (or maybe not) was that it was going to be kept with the duty. If i am wrong, fair enough, put me straight. Rather someone other than you "axeman" you are just too scary

[L Tommo]

Edward... Armani Is a screw who came on here just to whined people up and he comes and goes with a few other screws or wannabe screws! (GAWD HELP WHO WANTS TO B 1 OF THEM?) I think marking you down as a mate of him is a bit low and i think your points tho your own, fair play... Miss the point... And im sure some will tell ya... Just thought the return of that prick armani is to much for this nutta to take... And u shouldnt be blighted with the knobs name.... THE AFTERMATH OF ARMANI STILL LINGERS ON....



HE WOULD LOVE THIS... DONT GIVE HIM AND HIS LIKE THE TIME OF DAY!!!


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[Carnoustie]

Not quite up to speed with the EA situation seeing as i have never recieved it during my 20 years service.My understanding of the situation (or maybe not) was that it was going to be kept with the duty. If i am wrong, fair enough, put me straight.

I think by "EA", stubaby is referring to Executive Action, not early allowance.

If we roll over and accept any change to our jobs and conditions that are brought in by Executive Action (i.e. with no negotiation with the union), then this job and the union are both finished. Fighting EA is of huge importance to the future shape of our jobs. If we accept later starts being brought in by Executive Action, what else will RM bring in whilst waving two fingers at the union, i.e. US ? Monthly pay ? Summer lapsing ? YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE FECKIN STRINGS WE'VE ALREADY LOST 4 DAYS PAY OVER !!!! Even if my own personal circumstances meant that I didn't object to later starts, if everybody else in my office was against them, I'd throw my weight behind the majority opinion, and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them. That's what being a union member is all about !

[POSTMAN]

2 things.

Ed most of the guys on here are early starts,summin i did not know till this site,so they're pissed at starting later for obvious reasons AND they will be losing money as well.
From what i've read most of them start at 5.

Down in the smoke we've i think have always started later,my 2 DO's in 10 years have all been 5-45 starts and we are now going to start at 6 which aint a big problem.
If i had to start at 7 then because of picking the kids up from school ect,as much as i'm a lazy bastard,i'd have the raving hump about it.

Both sides North/south like when they start,so a dramatic change for either is a mass pisser.
We've all geared our lives with our job so to change stuff after soooo many years aint on!

[vigilante]

WE START AT 5.30.
TOWN MEN 5.00

SOME OF US HAVE TO DO SECOND JOBS, HAVE CHILD CARE PROBLEMS AND WHO THE F**K WANTS TO BE OUT
ON SAT TILL 3.00------------------BOLLOX TO LATE STARTS.


AS ONE POSTER SAID THEY HAVE TO INFORM YOU THEY ARE CHANGING YOUR CONTRACT.
STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THESE A******S

[Carnoustie]

WE START AT 5.30.
TOWN MEN 5.00

SOME OF US HAVE TO DO SECOND JOBS, HAVE CHILD CARE PROBLEMS AND WHO THE F**K WANTS TO BE OUT
ON SAT TILL 3.00------------------BOLLOX TO LATE STARTS.


AS ONE POSTER SAID THEY HAVE TO INFORM YOU THEY ARE CHANGING YOUR CONTRACT.
STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THESE A******S

'Twas me what said it

My manager asking me to start later next week is a bit like McDonalds asking their suppliers 'where's our zinger burgers and hot wings, then?'

To which they - and you - should reply:

UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE CONTRACT MATE, YOU'RE ONLY GETTING THE SAME SH!T FROM ME AS YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD

So :lfo :cfo

[stubaby]

Not quite up to speed with the EA situation seeing as i have never recieved it during my 20 years service.My understanding of the situation (or maybe not) was that it was going to be kept with the duty. If i am wrong, fair enough, put me straight.

I think by "EA", stubaby is referring to Executive Action, not early allowance.

If we roll over and accept any change to our jobs and conditions that are brought in by Executive Action (i.e. with no negotiation with the union), then this job and the union are both finished. Fighting EA is of huge importance to the future shape of our jobs. If we accept later starts being brought in by Executive Action, what else will RM bring in whilst waving two fingers at the union, i.e. US ? Monthly pay ? Summer lapsing ? YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE FECKIN STRINGS WE'VE ALREADY LOST 4 DAYS PAY OVER !!!! Even if my own personal circumstances meant that I didn't object to later starts, if everybody else in my office was against them, I'd throw my weight behind the majority opinion, and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them. That's what being a union member is all about !

Post of the day

[South East Postie]

i joined the job to finish early. to give the public a DECENT service, not mail at 2 in the afternoon.

GET US BACK OUT ON THE LINES. Mon the boys.

[kieranstoke]

Is it true that the early shift allowance is only eligible to post-persons who stay in the same "job role"???

The early shift allowance means we dont face a reduction in our wage untill we change our "job role".

Sounds fine untill you define "job role"

Is it true that "job role" is another word for duty and not your job tiitle???

So, if one was to change duties then one would lose his early shift allowance???

Sounds great -not!!!

If it gets brought in RM will be enforcing re-picks within a week!!!

Surely im daft and have got the wrong end of the stick here???

Anyone????

[DGP1]

Is it true that the early shift allowance is only eligible to post-persons who stay in the same "job role"???

The early shift allowance means we dont face a reduction in our wage untill we change our "job role".

Sounds fine untill you define "job role"

Is it true that "job role" is another word for duty and not your job tiitle???

So, if one was to change duties then one would lose his early shift allowance???

Sounds great -not!!!

If it gets brought in RM will be enforcing re-picks within a week!!!

Surely im daft and have got the wrong end of the stick here???

Anyone????

I agree with you I would never trust RM they always have some trick up their sleeves