LTB 995/11 CWU ADDRESS RMG TOP 900 MANAGERS FORUM

[fishtank]

these are the same managers who are driving these revisions and implementing unrealistic targets.

s**t rolls downhill,and will continue to roll,will DSM's,'DOM's and linos change their attitude after this,of course not,the muppets will still be scared of their own shadow and those from above.

What happens in an office does not interest the 900 in the slightest..
The only two things they are interested in are failures and finance.
The DOM's and Lino's could be beating us with sticks and that lot wouldn't care.
As for Higson...he's an engineer..nuff said.

[dvbuk55]

these are the same managers who are driving these revisions and implementing unrealistic targets.

s**t rolls downhill,and will continue to roll,will DSM's,DOM's and linos change their attitude after this,of course not,the muppets will still be scared of their own shadow and those from above.

I suppose for RM Managers it's a bit like getting drunk, you swear it won't happen again but it always does.

[Martin Walsh]

Daveyeff , your another one off here who believes in the great motto it everyone elses fault rather than mine.

Now I can tell you from me , whilst i went to over an hundred offices leading during the local strike action and leading up to the national yes vote , I did not go and tell the members to support the agreement once it was made. My divison took more action as a whole then anywhere else. I accept others like some offices in Scotland , Bristol , Plymouth etc took action as well but not as a whole divison.

Now what you had once the agreement was agreed by the PEC was a national 2 day briefing of all Branch`s down in Bournemouth and then meetings where all local reps were invited.

Now you say the members were intimdated to vote yes, well I think if we are all honest most of our members know that the circumstances which Royal Mail now work in is very much different to what it once was. Automation , unfair competition , a pension crisis and the fact that the dispute was over the fact that Royal Mail had a business plan which they wanted to introduce without agreement and with no benefits for the workforce. The 2010 agreement was not about the CWU arguing for change it was about the CWU insisiting that there must be an agreement in place which protected people from the changes which Royal Mail`s business plan was going to make.

[fishtank]

it was about the CWU insisiting that there must be an agreement in place which protected people from the changes which Royal Mail`s business plan was going to make.

And has it?
We seem to have more bullying,more harassment and more unachievable workload problems than ever.
Yes we may have less executive action and therefore less disagreements progressed to HQ but that only tells half the story.
I for one feel less secure and more threatened by Royal Mail than i did in 2009,i know a lot of members feel the same.
Has the agreement really protected us at all?

[dvbuk55]

"Deal of the century" certainly sounds like a recommendation to me and it would certainly have swayed the less discerning members.

But really lets look at the facts, people on this site and I for one said it was a bad deal. It meant pay cuts for some, "the losers", there was absolutely no guarantees on any element of the agreement, we were fobbed of with half truths on rewards and training and most of the agreement was finalised AFTER the vote and 18 months later is still in dispute. The modernisation itself has been implemented in less than 20% of offices and many of those have been fraught with problems and many have been "self starters" and does not incorporate the equipment nor the weight off shoulder touted as the be all and end all. There has been no attempt by the union to really look at the problems on the ground in the first person and rely on less than accurate statements from branch.

Now I know which group have been proved right and which have been stumbling through trying to justify the actions and statements of the past.

[daveyeff]

not intimidated dingo, ''influenced'',,,,, coaxed, weedled, cajoled, persuaded, under a pretence of worse conditions/job losses/executive action etc etc. as for the ''not my fault'', thats right. it wasnt. AND, i still believe the vote results were 'fiddled; for want of a better word. ask how many d.o staff voted yes. you,ll find they are the minority. this is a pointless argument cos it can go on forever. anyways, to the management and the union heiarchy, us ''no'' voters can now say,,,''WE TOLD YOU SO''.

[Cut Off King]

Dingo wrote

the agreement was agreed by the PEC

As most members seem to believe that the PEC have got it wrong about recent agreements as reguards what OPG's want to see in an agreement, do you think that it is time to disband the PEC, hold fresh elections and stipulate that no current member of the PEC can be re-elected, thus have a clean sweep to restore confidence.

( no malice intended ! ) just a thought.