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Tribunal.

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Re: Tribunal.

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Fluke wrote:
REDLETTER wrote:
flaminmoses wrote:seeing the union this week about possible representation by their solicitors.
gonna phot copy appeal conclusion notes.

ive filed for a tribunal and got some stuff back.
acas also sent their letter with a rep getting involved.

did they really pull that many cases before tribunal????
That will be the last you hear from ACAS until just before the Tribunal hearing and then they will try and work out a "deal" between you and RM.
Not quite, If he is dealing with the case himself, he will get a call from RM solicitors requesting information and documents to support the claim and he may get a call from ACAS offering mediation.

Have you had a date set for the hearing? The respondent (Royal Mail) will also get a copy of the Notice of a Claim.
I meant RM Solicitors!!!!!!!!! :arrrghhh
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Re: Tribunal.

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flaminmoses wrote:
blackadder wrote:good luck mate, you need it. but as you got sacked for a bad knee can you go back ??

their wording was "willful delay".

ive put on the tribunal form i want my job back.
Good Luck!
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Re: Tribunal.

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thanks
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Re: Tribunal.

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how they cum up with wilful delay ??
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Re: Tribunal.

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REDLETTER wrote:
flaminmoses wrote:seeing the union this week about possible representation by their solicitors.
gonna phot copy appeal conclusion notes.

ive filed for a tribunal and got some stuff back.
acas also sent their letter with a rep getting involved.

did they really pull that many cases before tribunal????
That will be the last you hear from ACAS until just before the Tribunal hearing and then they will try and work out a "deal" between you and RM.
Royal Mail very rarely deal with ACAS and they don't have to.
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Re: Tribunal.

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dingo wrote:The CWU has a panel of ET speicalists who do most tribunal cases , they rarely use solicitors. The Panel consists of some current reps and some retired members who have been on courses and been involved in tribunals for some years. The CWU send out the bundle to a panel member who reviews the case , the criteria is normally does it stand more than a 50% chance of winning in the experience of the both CWU HQs and the panel members. If it does than normally the indivdual will be reprsented if not then they will not be .

The exception to this is if there is a dispute in an office over the sacking and then normally the CWU will reprsent and often bring in solictiors or barristers.

Now tribunal law is complex and some claims can go to pre hearings where a chairman will advise that if the case continues then the indivdual could be liable for costs.

Equally the Con Dems are proposing a fee for indivduals who wish to take the employer to a tribunal which is another attack on working people
Pre hearings are carried out by an Employment Judge, they dont/won't advise an indivdual against costs btw
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Re: Tribunal.

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hantsman wrote:
dingo wrote:The CWU has a panel of ET speicalists who do most tribunal cases , they rarely use solicitors. The Panel consists of some current reps and some retired members who have been on courses and been involved in tribunals for some years. The CWU send out the bundle to a panel member who reviews the case , the criteria is normally does it stand more than a 50% chance of winning in the experience of the both CWU HQs and the panel members. If it does than normally the indivdual will be reprsented if not then they will not be .

The exception to this is if there is a dispute in an office over the sacking and then normally the CWU will reprsent and often bring in solictiors or barristers.

Now tribunal law is complex and some claims can go to pre hearings where a chairman will advise that if the case continues then the indivdual could be liable for costs.

Equally the Con Dems are proposing a fee for indivduals who wish to take the employer to a tribunal which is another attack on working people
Pre hearings are carried out by an Employment Judge, they dont/won't advise an indivdual against costs btw
Actually sometimes a full board of the tribunal can hear pre hearings( just that it's not common,usually if one of the parties ask for a pre hearing not long before the date of the full hearing to consider `substantive issues of facts) and also if the respondents solicitors are threating you with a cost order(as the twats at weightmans like to do!)then when you go to the pre hearing the judge will decide if your case merits a full hearing or he will advise you that he thinks your case is weak and if you still want to proceed then you will be required to pay a deposit or of course he could boot it out altogether.

Sometimes if the court has just set a hearing date you can even request a pre hearing to test the waters to see if yur case is strong and is a good tactic to employ if your not sure.on the merits of your case or if wankmans have started being heavy with you from the start.
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Re: Tribunal.

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their solicitors have written me a letter showing what they have responded to the tribunal and have asked for evidence that i have been looking for work so they can calculate any possible compensation.

i know i will have to produce this but i woul dhave thought its something for the judge????
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Re: Tribunal.

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flaminmoses wrote:their solicitors have written me a letter showing what they have responded to the tribunal and have asked for evidence that i have been looking for work so they can calculate any possible compensation.

i know i will have to produce this but i woul dhave thought its something for the judge????
Yeah standard ET3 letter nothing to be arsed about.
It's not upto them to calculate any compensation it's upto you to fill out a schedule of loss for things such as loss of earnings(what chancers these morons are!),injury to feelings etc,the only thing is they can ask what you've done to find work to mitigate your loss and provide proof but as this is at the start of your case and is usually done nearer to the actual hearing or a case management it is a weightmans `fishing trip`to find out how much your claim might be. :no no :roll:
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Re: Tribunal.

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maybe a little hint about health and safety and neglect of an employee might give em more of an idea
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Re: Tribunal.

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have you spoken to union solicitors ?
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Re: Tribunal.

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blackadder wrote:have you spoken to union solicitors ?

not yet.
the union rep who dealt with the appeal is looking at the appeal conclusion and will then pass it on to the solicitors.
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Re: Tribunal.

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flaminmoses wrote:their solicitors have written me a letter showing what they have responded to the tribunal and have asked for evidence that i have been looking for work so they can calculate any possible compensation.

i know i will have to produce this but i woul dhave thought its something for the judge????
You only have to respond to what the ET ask's you to.

The Solicitors are weighing up your claim by the "mitigating your loss" letter to you, you don't need to reply to it but from advice I have seen its normally best to. Its standard practice, I would'nt get any hopes up re them making you an offer to settle though.
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Re: Tribunal.

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hantsman wrote:
flaminmoses wrote:their solicitors have written me a letter showing what they have responded to the tribunal and have asked for evidence that i have been looking for work so they can calculate any possible compensation.

i know i will have to produce this but i woul dhave thought its something for the judge????
You only have to respond to what the ET ask's you to.

The Solicitors are weighing up your claim by the "mitigating your loss" letter to you, you don't need to reply to it but from advice I have seen its normally best to. Its standard practice, I would'nt get any hopes up re them making you an offer to settle though.

ok thanks.
will speak to the union first.
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Re: Tribunal.

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hantsman wrote:
flaminmoses wrote:their solicitors have written me a letter showing what they have responded to the tribunal and have asked for evidence that i have been looking for work so they can calculate any possible compensation.

i know i will have to produce this but i woul dhave thought its something for the judge????
You only have to respond to what the ET ask's you to.

The Solicitors are weighing up your claim by the "mitigating your loss" letter to you, you don't need to reply to it but from advice I have seen its normally best to. Its standard practice, I would'nt get any hopes up re them making you an offer to settle though.

This works both ways, you can ask for information from Royal Mail's solicitor regarding information they hold which will help your case. It is advisable that they respond much the say way it is advisable for the Claimant to respond to the "mitigating your loss" letter, if you have found work then they will try and reduce the amount they would have to pay. I had this at a previous Tribunal where I got a job the next week so there were no "loss of earnings". But it was good to see the MD squirm when giving evidence :whistle