Postman seriously hurt in bike crash

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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A postman suffered serious head injuries after falling off his bike while delivering mail.

The accident happened on Bransdale Way near to its junction with Ivy Road in Macclesfield at 8.30am on Saturday.

The 52-year-old, who was not wearing a cycling helmet, was injured when his head hit the road.

He is in a stable but serious condition at Salford's Hope Hospital.

It is understood there were no other vehicles involved.

Anyone with information should contact Sergeant Helen Potter at Macclesfield Police Station on 0845 458 0000 quoting incident number 271 of 29th October.

[andy2007]

I hope he's going to be ok.

[slave]

Hope he is alright and makes a full recovery, although returning to work he'll be up s**t creek for not wearing an item of PPE..

[Wessex]

I wish the postie a speedy and full recovery.

[stokes11eg]

Hope he recovers, but another poster is right---no helmet..will mean no job!

[brothermagrew]

Hope he recovers, but another poster is right---no helmet..will mean no job!

We would all wish that he pulls through and makes a full recovery, but to say that no helmet means no job before an investigation has been undertaken to establish the full facts is prematurely jumping the gun. You may in the long run be correct in your summations, but as a for instance, what would happen if the postie had previously reported to the management that his issued PPE cycle helmet was cracked, damaged and defective and was therefore no good as it was damaged, and said management had not replaced his cycle helmet with a new one which was fit for purpose.

[Lounge Lizard]

"while delivering mail ...... at 8.30am"

[resperin]

"while delivering mail ...... at 8.30am"

Saturday though

[DGP1]

brothermagrew- maybe jumping the gun but these days RM will do anything to sack people and not wearing a helmet on your bike is alone enough to have that happen but falling and getting injured because of it is a sure fire way of getting sacked. As for any excuse that can be offered - no helmet means no bike, you have to take your own safety yourself, if the duty then takes longer then so be it.

[DB1100]

I hope he recovers,and who knows a helmet might not have made any difference but if that was me I would be more concerned about getting better than worrying about a job

[brothermagrew]

brothermagrew- maybe jumping the gun but these days RM will do anything to sack people and not wearing a helmet on your bike is alone enough to have that happen but falling and getting injured because of it is a sure fire way of getting sacked. As for any excuse that can be offered - no helmet means no bike, you have to take your own safety yourself, if the duty then takes longer then so be it.

DGP1 - I did of course say that in reply to sister stokesie's post that you may in the long run be correct in your summations, and i do not personally desist from the thrust of your own post. As you and others have eloquently said (no helmet means no bike) but the root causes of all accident / incidents should be clearly investigated.

Snippet taken from (Dave Joyce) H&S Department LTB of which you and others will surely be familiar with:

We agreed that a "blame-free" joint approach based on the HSE's new "Worker Involvement" model with Managers and Union Safety Reps working together to investigate accidents and near misses, getting to the root causes was the approach we supported and which is key to delivering long term safety standard improvements in Royal Mail. We agreed that we wanted an open and transparent system which encourages workers to report everything of relevance without fear or favour, without barriers or impediments in order that we can ensure we get the clearest possible picture of the problems which need tackling even if initially incident reports increased.

To recap on what I have brought to your attention on several occasions; Over the last year we have seen a significant number of Area Managers and their teams adopt a "blame culture" in complete contradiction to the approach we favour and agree is correct. There is too much of a tendency for managers to look to blame workers and to call for "something to be done" whenever there is an accident or an incident without taking a good hard look at themselves and without thoroughly investigating the accident in consultation with the Safety Representative to discover the real root causes and then putting things right to stop it happening again. Adopting a 'blame culture' and issuing workers with Accident On Duty "Blameworthy Warning Letters" or instructing staff who have reported an accident to attend a Conduct Code disciplinary interviews with a senior manager and being warned of possible disciplinary action being taken against them is flawed logic and based on the incorrect notion that by threatening and bullying a worker he or she will stop having accidents - the fact is they won't - they'll simply stop reporting them and the safety problems remains uncorrected. The business then ends up with more serious accidents when what is really needed in many cases is better safety management and organisation. It's a fundamental question of motivation - no one ever did or does health and safety (or anything else for that matter) in a proper and sustainable way simply because they are told to or threatened or because they fear being caught out if they don't. To do anything properly and well it needs embedding into the culture and requires that the workforce all believe it is the right thing to do. The experts in health and safety provide the framework for workers to do the right thing in the business in a way that people know will be safe and will work because it's been thought about, it's been discussed fully and managers and safety reps and agreed it together and are all committed to it and jointly monitor it.

[DGP1]

brothermagrew - That post I made did seem a little bit blunt (must remember to eat a cookie before posting ), of course every accident need to be properly investigated but as your post pointed out, RM either won't do it properly or will just blame the person anyway regardless of the outcome.

I do hope the guy gets better and has no long term issues because of the accident and he keeps his job.

[stokes11eg]

brothermagrew - That post I made did seem a little bit blunt (must remember to eat a cookie before posting ), of course every accident need to be properly investigated but as your post pointed out, RM either won't do it properly or will just blame the person anyway regardless of the outcome.

I do hope the guy gets better and has no long term issues because of the accident and he keeps his job.

Sadly, there was a time long ago, when we had an almost caring Management,and in the old days, this chap would probably not have lost his job---but sadly, rightly or wrongly, he will in all probability, lose his job. (should he be fit enough to return) also, if he is held to be blameworthy, he stands to lose so much more, possible compensation etc. Thought s with him at this time, but a wake up cal to others perhaps, in looking out for their own safety,

[parcelboy]

brothermagrew - That post I made did seem a little bit blunt (must remember to eat a cookie before posting ), of course every accident need to be properly investigated but as your post pointed out, RM either won't do it properly or will just blame the person anyway regardless of the outcome.

I do hope the guy gets better and has no long term issues because of the accident and he keeps his job.

Sadly, there was a time long ago, when we had an almost caring Management,and in the old days, this chap would probably not have lost his job---but sadly, rightly or wrongly, he will in all probability, lose his job. (should he be fit enough to return) also, if he is held to be blameworthy, he stands to lose so much more, possible compensation etc. Thought s with him at this time, but a wake up cal to others perhaps, in looking out for their own safety,

correct me if im wrong but did a couple of posties from the NW area get there jobs back or compensation for not wearing helmets.? all the best to the injured postie hope he makes a full and speedy recovery

[brothermagrew]

brothermagrew - That post I made did seem a little bit blunt (must remember to eat a cookie before posting ), of course every accident need to be properly investigated but as your post pointed out, RM either won't do it properly or will just blame the person anyway regardless of the outcome.

I do hope the guy gets better and has no long term issues because of the accident and he keeps his job.

Sadly, there was a time long ago, when we had an almost caring Management,and in the old days, this chap would probably not have lost his job---but sadly, rightly or wrongly, he will in all probability, lose his job. (should he be fit enough to return) also, if he is held to be blameworthy, he stands to lose so much more, possible compensation etc. Thought s with him at this time, but a wake up cal to others perhaps, in looking out for their own safety,

correct me if im wrong but did a couple of posties from the NW area get there jobs back or compensation for not wearing helmets.? all the best to the injured postie hope he makes a full and speedy recovery

They did see:

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Whilst reading the LTB in it's entirety this part of the LTB should be noted as well.
It was a breach of process issue. Royal Mail and CWU have had a signed National Agreement from 2003 stipulating that it is mandatory for Cycle Delivery workers to wear a Cycle Helmet and High Visibility Jacket. The agreed policy between the CWU and Royal Mail which aims to protect people from potentially serious or fatal injuries, remains in place.