20/20 or 40 minute break/ walk delivery span break

[Pinky 1]

we do 25 then 15 at the end

[keithposty]

we do 25 then 15 at the end

you cannot take your break at the start or end of your duty
working time directive/emplyment rights act

[daveyeff]

Use of public toilets and washing facilities should be a last resort and not
used just because they are the cheaper option. This would not be acceptable
where the provision of better facilities would be reasonably practicable

......... and the provision for your rural drivers, is what, keithposty ?

farmers field/bucket/pop bottle

[keithposty]

built into any outdoor delivery span, adaquate time and facility needs to be maintained for welfare

be it a time elemant built into the duty structure (outdoor elemant)

designated place in the 318/ wrap/wpq1 duty structure can be a public house/ supermarket, etc,etc

[POSTMAN]

Some offices do take part of their break at the end of their shift,mine is one of them,but that is because we are on a 4 day week and because of the USO timings we had to swallow this to get a 10hr day.
Right or wrong,RM and the CWU is very much aware of it.

As for toilet breaks especially with longer deliveries,have we ever cleared up whether it is added on as part of the outside work,I know we've had plenty of conversations about it on here.

But then could it bring up a problem,we have x amount of time to do our business,but what happens if you're like me,someone who drinks a lot during the day and spends a penny a few times during my outside work.

[woofwoof]

we do 25 then 15 at the end

you cannot take your break at the start or end of your duty
working time directive/emplyment rights act

TAKEN FROM THE WAY FORWARD

Meal Brakes for non-standard, as part-time and extended attendances

Part-time jobs, and full-time jobs with non-standard attendance patterns, will attract meal breaks for each daily attendance as followed, reflecting a generally pro-rata entitlement to the national weekly standard:

Attendance length total breaks probable pattern

Less than 2 hours 30 minutes none (a 10 min grace break should be provided if work permits)
2 hours 30 to 3 hours 10 mins 10
3 hours 1 to 3 hours 30 15 mins 15
3 hours 31 to 4 hours 59 20 mins 20
5 hours to 7 hours 30 mins 30
7 hours 1 to 8 hours 59 40 mins 40 or 20 + 20
9 hours to 10 hours 59 50 mins 30 + 20
11 hours to 12 hours 59 60 mins 40 + 20 or 30 + 30
13 hours or longer 70 mins 40 + 30

Pending completion of the discussions intended to conform with the requirements of the Working Time Regulations, any exceptional attendances of 15 hours or longer will attract an entitlement of 80 minutes.

The actual pattern of breaks within these rules will be agreed locally.
Breaks at the beginning or end of attendance
Where an attendance is provided with more than one break, the second break may be scheduled at the beginning or end, in which case attendance is not required solely for booking on or off. A single break should not be scheduled at the beginning or end of the attendance.

[keithposty]

keep it comming people

i am at this moment passing this up to the health and safety executive for clarification via an online complaint

if this practice is adopted we could be looking at

kidney stones
bladder infections
etc,etc

[hans solo]

Use of public toilets and washing facilities should be a last resort and not
used just because they are the cheaper option. This would not be acceptable
where the provision of better facilities would be reasonably practicable

......... and the provision for your rural drivers, is what, keithposty ?

farmers field/bucket/pop bottle

hope the sheep and cattle dont mind .getting caught would make you a sex offender

[halfull]

we do 25 then 15 at the end

you cannot take your break at the start or end of your duty
working time directive/emplyment rights act

what? we take 25 at 9:20 then tag 15 mins on the end to finish earlier! area union rep ok'd this so maybe you got a s**t deal with your break! dont nobody wanna tek 40 mins in a mornin!

[keithposty]

you people are missing the point

we have a staffed canteen with cooked breakfast
what about those people who still want a cooked breakfast and do you think they will keep the canteen open if people stop using it. so its the canteen ladys job as well we are talking about

as long as the 40 minutes is accounted for prior to delivery

nobody is forceing you to take your break prior to delivery at the end of the day it is not my choice or royal mail but

BY A LOCAL COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT

[hans solo]

what about people who need full 40min break due to health reasons

[mailmonkey]

i do half and half...

20 mins before i go out, or during me walk...

And 20 mins at the end.

I know many of you here think this is awful, but the fact is that with our duties now finishing at 15.05 on paper, if I didn't take a break at the end, I wouldn't be finished in time to pick up my sone from school.

I am sure many other posties are in the same position

[keithposty]

i understand what you are saying but

the statutory minimum is a 20 minute break under the working time directive

we have a statutory minimum through a national agreement of a 40 minute break

the working time directive states that the break must be in one block, in royal mails case
40 minutes

the break cannot be at the start or end of your duty

the only exception would be by a local agreement which is the only time that statute provision is overturned

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

i understand what you are saying but

the statutory minimum is a 20 minute break under the working time directive

we have a statutory minimum through a national agreement of a 40 minute break

the working time directive states that the break must be in one block, in royal mails case
40 minutes

the break cannot be at the start or end of your duty

the only exception would be by a local agreement which is the only time that statute provision is overturned

The statutory 20 min minimum must be in one block, it does not apply to any extra break an employer gives, as for customs and practice as long as they give proper notification to change the standard practice they can do that

[keithposty]

as for customs and practice as long as they give proper notification to change the standard practice they can do that



NOT WITHOUT A LOCAL AGREEMENT THEY CANT

ITS CALLED AN IMPLIED TERM IN YOUR CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT