Incentive schemes have been used for RM to get through their dodgy deals since as long as i've been employed by RM,and always will be.
The problem is a majority of posties can only see as far as next friday,esp in the current economic climate,and senior managment know that only too well.You can't blame managment for using a tactic that works,BUT you can blame a union for going along with it,rather than saying NO,seems like a cop out by most of RMC,a case of taking the path of least resistance?
I would say it is the same colleague share money that was touted as a reward under BT2010 published by the CWU. So should we put our eggs in the same basket again.
Lets not make it complicated, just go for a straight pay rise year on year - not a 3 year deal without any idea of what's round the corner.
dingo wrote: Unless Royal Mail get European State Aid by next March than Royal Mail could go into administration as the pension fund deficit demands another 300 million pound payment next April and guess what Royal Mail do not have it.
....cos they spunked it on Bippa vans, planners, PDA's etc
i cant help but think RM's and the goverments position has been carefully worked out and is at least a couple of steps before the unions. I see practices that crippled and killed RM when we were state owned being abandoned with huge speed now we are up for privatisation, a new watchdog, coincedence?
ronpetetrevchris wrote:i cant help but think RM's and the goverments position has been carefully worked out and is at least a couple of steps before the unions. I see practices that crippled and killed RM when we were state owned being abandoned with huge speed now we are up for privatisation, a new watchdog, coincedence?
Shedding capital, casualising the workforce, making the workforce mainly min wage casual staffed, making life very difficult for costly permanent and FT staff, all should help RM become a bit more attractive to a private buyer.....
Is no conspiracy, conspiracies are usually better disguised...this is just a massacre.
ronpetetrevchris wrote:i cant help but think RM's and the goverments position has been carefully worked out and is at least a couple of steps before the unions. I see practices that crippled and killed RM when we were state owned being abandoned with huge speed now we are up for privatisation, a new watchdog, coincedence?
Shedding capital, casualising the workforce, making the workforce mainly min wage casual staffed, making life very difficult for costly permanent and FT staff, all should help RM become a bit more attractive to a private buyer.....
Is no conspiracy, conspiracies are usually better disguised...this is just a massacre.
You can say that again . Arsehole picking ltb this or that dealing with the fine points and niceties ;meantime bye bye pensions {ta trustees)hello casuals;hello 3hr contracts
ronpetetrevchris wrote:i cant help but think RM's and the goverments position has been carefully worked out and is at least a couple of steps before the unions. I see practices that crippled and killed RM when we were state owned being abandoned with huge speed now we are up for privatisation, a new watchdog, coincedence?
Shedding capital, casualising the workforce, making the workforce mainly min wage casual staffed, making life very difficult for costly permanent and FT staff, all should help RM become a bit more attractive to a private buyer.....
Is no conspiracy, conspiracies are usually better disguised...this is just a massacre.
You can say that again . Arsehole picking ltb this or that dealing with the fine points and niceties ;meantime bye bye pensions {ta trustees)hello casuals;hello 3hr contracts
All three of you are so right im afraid!
Always be one step ahead, play their game but be wiser. Revenge is sweet.
This agreement should have been written on bog paper then flushed down the toilet. For all my years working for RM we all know rm never adhere to agreements and our braveheart union always fight hard for the union members . Only joking about the last bit.
Our union leaders resign for accepting a poor agreement. And worse of all asking their fellow followers (thats all we are) that they backed the new agreement.
Shame on you leaders.
I've just heard (exclusive) that Hayes has his pipe out and leading all rm workers to unforseen destination.
It's weird but I have regularly done an,(anonymous) consultative ballot on what members want from the branch. The one thing that stood out was they didn't want strike action. Fact.
There where many an agreement I have disagreed with,(certainly the single delivery and P&M 2007). However this flipping bonus stuff has always pushed things through at an alarming rate. The amount of times members say "Where's my bonus?"!!,( by the way this was before revision lump sums!).
However I do think that this deal was the better of most,(6 step - delivery and 7 step-collections),because in theory it puts US in the center of it. However as management have changed their strategy in that the actual pace of change is frightening,I do believe that the structure of our trade union,sadly,cannot deal with it. Branch to divisional to HQ,too slow! Reps not trained,(it is frightening). In my opinion your office is first. There-fore the committee's need to put back in. The current structure cannot react fast enough. The mere fact that some of us can post things on RMC in our own time,(and with brilliant opinions),is a start.
Members also need to be communicated in short sharp language they understand. Who better to do this then their own fellow workers? Things like IWT and geo-route and duty modelling tools,we all have a computer expert in our offices.
An example is the dreaded "absorption" word. Your local rep has always asked his/her members to work their time. Sign back in. Leave it in the frame until the end. Take your breaks. Give your work,(bags) to the driver. Weigh your pouches.Don't use your private vehicles. However the sad fact is the membership,(most), have rejected it's reps advice on this. This we have to be honest about. A committee would be able to deal with this by regularly campaigning at a local level on ITS local issues.
Look I know that this is a forum where it's easy for a few to moan and groan about the union but please let's get things into perspective.
Over the last 20 years there have been very few pay deals without strings. During the 80s and 90s the tactic used to be that pay talks would start in October ( the old pay date ) and than a deal would get done in time for the backpay to be paid before Christmas. The ending of IWM meant the shorter working week plus , buy outs , Christmas bonus and bonus payments.
RRIS ( Dras dispute ) had strings , the way forward , SDD , pay and mod and BTA all had stings.
Guess what the RMT had a long held policy of trading working particles for money and shorter hours.
The CWU have dowe the same , the intallly policy was £300 and the way forward and SDD got us towards there by trading some allowances and overtime payments to basic pay rise. The uproar over the door to door supplement and early morning shift allowances have made the union think twice but does anyone seriously believe that pay will be without strings in the future ?
The state of Royal Mail has changed completely from a company that gave the government money each year in the way of an external finance limit too a company which has the biggest pension deficit in the UK at the last valuation 10 billion. We now have competition which has removed some of the profitable parts of the mail process leaving us with the final mile which equates to 60percent of all Royal Mail's costs.
Equally Royal Mail have not spent the pension money or colleague share money on CDVs , walk sequencing etc, they spent the commercial loan money which they now want the government to write off . The colleague share money went when Royal Mail revalued the company on the basis that their original business plan was not making the money they thought it would.
So the question I have to ask is do you think if we pull out of the BTA agreement that things will get better or worse ? Especially If the report today is true which indicates that the Tory outburst on the euro zone crisis may mean Europe takes a harder view on allowing the government state aid for Royal Mail.
Having been here for more than 20 years - the last 5 years have been by far the worst for not just agreements but the lack of input into the running of the office. Block overtime for christmas pressure - gone, full time employment - gone, payment for D2D - gone, promises to keep - gone - the list could go on. Perhaps the union takes the old saying "it is better to give than to recieve" literally because we have certainly given more than we have received in recent years
Now is this unjustifiable moaning at the union? Well they are certainly the ones who are charged with negotiating our terms and conditions.
always fight hard for the union members