how the hell is he allowed to do that what are the union rep/managers doing about that thats not park and loop thats park and do your own duty, they must see thatJudgee wrote:What I would like implemented is a system where noone can leave to go on delivery until everyone is ready to leave the office. That way the runners would have to help those with bigger walks at least to get ready and it would be in everyones best interests to help eachother! Missorts would also be dealt with correctly!
Ok so it's a dream, people are just too damn selfish to do this but it would be nice! The guy I am partnered with on P & L now goes out in his own van because he's ready to go so much earlier than me. It's a little depressing seeing him leave 2 hours before me every day when I know I will be out there til cutoff time. Wouldn't be so bad if he didn't get in late every morning but then I guess he doesn't have to rush on his little walk!
Totally agree with you twobags. WTF is going on in your office Judgee? needs flagging up to area I think. P & L is 2 in a van and if you arn't ready to go tough s**t on your partner, he'll just have to learn to wait or stop coming in early and working through his break.twobags wrote:how the hell is he allowed to do that what are the union rep/managers doing about that thats not park and loop thats park and do your own duty, they must see thatJudgee wrote:What I would like implemented is a system where noone can leave to go on delivery until everyone is ready to leave the office. That way the runners would have to help those with bigger walks at least to get ready and it would be in everyones best interests to help eachother! Missorts would also be dealt with correctly!
Ok so it's a dream, people are just too damn selfish to do this but it would be nice! The guy I am partnered with on P & L now goes out in his own van because he's ready to go so much earlier than me. It's a little depressing seeing him leave 2 hours before me every day when I know I will be out there til cutoff time. Wouldn't be so bad if he didn't get in late every morning but then I guess he doesn't have to rush on his little walk!
fishtank wrote:Coming in early,working through breaks and cutting corners helps to cover management failure.
It's not only tolerated by management...it's actively encouraged,sometimes using the carrot of finishing early and sometimes with the bullying stick of "performance issues".
If you were a manager under budget pressure from your DSM would you want the office "doing the job properly"?
Certain "flyers" will tell you that as long as they are gaining where is the harm?....and then of course they expect the rep to stand up and argue against increased absorption.
Meanwhile those who are working properly are accused of laziness by management and sadly some of those who call themselves colleagues.
It is both a weakness in management who are far too spineless to stand up to their superiors and fight to have a business unit properly resourced and a weakness in members who,despite all of the changes for the worse that have come and are still to come,continually deny to themselves and others the damage they are doing to our job security.
They are a certain kind of people flyers..they don't tend to turn up for union meetings,they always have an excuse when someone needs help,if you're having a collection for someone they're always a bit short but will catch you later,they will drive past you when it's pissing down and claim they didn't see you.....
Selfish is being too kind to them...
I'm sure you're correct about offices being "Fine Tuned" by their DOMs, read an interesting post by Clashcity recently...It concerned Mangers doing Posties work i.e IPS, Throwing Off and Bagging Up. I expect there's a lot of that going on as it, as you say, makes it look as if the Revisions are working. 
Then of course they produce the old, "How come that took you so long" argument/bullying. Stormproof wrote:People may disagree with me but I still think people should be finishing back at their office. Perhaps people would then do the job properly! We should, like all other big firms have a clocking in/out system then we will see how much of RM has been run on goodwill, 10mins here/there will soon add up
I give up!Well said Vikingviking wrote:Stormproof wrote:People may disagree with me but I still think people should be finishing back at their office. Perhaps people would then do the job properly! We should, like all other big firms have a clocking in/out system then we will see how much of RM has been run on goodwill, 10mins here/there will soon add up
I totally agree with you. Just think about it...each person giving RM even just 12mins a day minimum free... 5 days a week=1 Hr per week.Multiply that by 120 employees.. Royal Mail are getting 120 hrs work done at no cost to themselves. This equates to 3 full time staff and numerous PT staff that should be employed. Just take note, this is MINIMUM. We have people in our office that give RM nearly an hour a day in one way or another
looks like someones going to be visiting, auditors or moyatwobags wrote:come across a new one today , our full timers are starting at 3 a m and throwing of flats ,and packets and ips till they go out and do 1/2 of their round,???? dont know whos doin the other half, we also have our managers [dom incl] throwing off duties and tidying like mad ,what is goin on , we all of a sudden are startin to look like a slick operation
i bet its arranged for me day off they were really touchy todayStormproof wrote:looks like someones going to be visiting, auditors or moyatwobags wrote:come across a new one today , our full timers are starting at 3 a m and throwing of flats ,and packets and ips till they go out and do 1/2 of their round,???? dont know whos doin the other half, we also have our managers [dom incl] throwing off duties and tidying like mad ,what is goin on , we all of a sudden are startin to look like a slick operation
theres wiser people in st lukes 
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