1st week The Pro's and cons of park and loop

[twobags]

So are you saying you are a 'middle class twat' twobags because you work unpaid overtime.
If there is no more working class, I must be a serf as I don't

nice one gb ill have to show this my mates infact i will post it on my facebook page ive been accused and called alot of things but middle class is a first, i dont mind being called a twat been called lots of things but middle class , you are a credit to royal mail and the problems we face

[TrueBlueTerrier]

not sure what you mean or who that is aimed at but we dont have working men anymore [maybe only a few] what we do have are a lot of middle class twats and ill give you some stats to back this up

So are you saying you are a 'middle class twat' twobags because you work unpaid overtime.
If there is no more working class, I must be a serf as I don't

nice one gb ill have to show this my mates infact i will post it on my facebook page ive been accused and called alot of things but middle class is a first, i dont mind being called a twat been called lots of things but middle class , you are a credit to royal mail and the problems we face

To be fair he didn't call you a twat or accuse you of being middle class per-se, he was asking if you considered yourself middle class and used your comments in your own post to highlight it.

[gb93]

Thanks for clearing that up TBT
Spot on with your analysis yet again
I did spell that right didn't I

[POSTMAN]

I think the crux of it twobags is,you're working with and manged by muppets.

[twobags]

not sure what you mean or who that is aimed at but we dont have working men anymore [maybe only a few] what we do have are a lot of middle class twats and ill give you some stats to back this up

So are you saying you are a 'middle class twat' twobags because you work unpaid overtime.
If there is no more working class, I must be a serf as I don't

nice one gb ill have to show this my mates infact i will post it on my facebook page ive been accused and called alot of things but middle class is a first, i dont mind being called a twat been called lots of things but middle class , you are a credit to royal mail and the problems we face

To be fair he didn't call you a twat or accuse you of being middle class per-se, he was asking if you considered yourself middle class and used your comments in your own post to highlight it.

then that makes two of us who misread what was said, as i dont remember saying i worked over my time, im fed up of words and talking its clear from reading these threads and posties on here that it all depends on the delivery office you work at its all fragmented and boll***s to me, the union rep in our office is poor for a proportion of the office ,the first week i joined royal mail my second day i was on strike bad timing , but was amazed to see people crossing the picket line and there reason was the mortgage or money ,then later on, the more didnt because the strikes were inafective which i understood as it seemed you were loosing a days pay to do twice the work the day after and before, in our office didnt see any positive result , the way the comment was made can be taken as i read it ,any how its not the point its another thread away from the point, and that is the point of park and loop and the reason its here the pros and cons if any, people working over their time is not the reason it goes way back than that

[twobags]

i cant make my mind up if this is a pro or a con ,its to do with the days off , i e 5 day week the next a 4 day week 1st week off on mon then the following week wed/thur then the week after tue then the following week fri/sat the following week mon ,people are struggling at work to follow it the only bloke who knows it is the union rep and his rushed off his fit still sorting the poor job of the new frames lay out and peoples gripes with it ,is there anyone on here that can explain the way it works

[19times]

Interesting reading this thread i must say!

I have just done the changeover training today so will be buddy'ed up come Mon and was wondering how this whole p+l worked.

I won't be going past my time, no idea what the other fella i'm with will be doing and i very much doubt i'll be able to complete my walk given they have added to it and took the bikes off us too.

We are currently getting out asap normally just before 9 but still struggle to get done for 1 ( the bloke who's on it now tells me)

What happens then guys??

[twobags]

Interesting reading this thread i must say!

I have just done the changeover training today so will be buddy'ed up come Mon and was wondering how this whole p+l worked.

I won't be going past my time, no idea what the other fella i'm with will be doing and i very much doubt i'll be able to complete my walk given they have added to it and took the bikes off us too.

We are currently getting out asap normally just before 9 but still struggle to get done for 1 ( the bloke who's on it now tells me)

What happens then guys??

have they given you your new start and finish times for the p&l duty , and what training you done ?

[Hitcher]

i cant make my mind up if this is a pro or a con ,its to do with the days off , i e 5 day week the next a 4 day week 1st week off on mon then the following week wed/thur then the week after tue then the following week fri/sat the following week mon ,people are struggling at work to follow it the only bloke who knows it is the union rep and his rushed off his fit still sorting the poor job of the new frames lay out and peoples gripes with it ,is there anyone on here that can explain the way it works

It's a '9 day fortnight' so we get 1 in 4 Saturdays off.

To be honest, I like it.

[19times]

Interesting reading this thread i must say!

I have just done the changeover training today so will be buddy'ed up come Mon and was wondering how this whole p+l worked.

I won't be going past my time, no idea what the other fella i'm with will be doing and i very much doubt i'll be able to complete my walk given they have added to it and took the bikes off us too.

We are currently getting out asap normally just before 9 but still struggle to get done for 1 ( the bloke who's on it now tells me)

What happens then guys??

have they given you your new start and finish times for the p&l duty , and what training you done ?

Times are staying the same unless they failed to tell me this training? what's that! done none apart from today from the AA man!!

[twobags]

Interesting reading this thread i must say!

I have just done the changeover training today so will be buddy'ed up come Mon and was wondering how this whole p+l worked.

I won't be going past my time, no idea what the other fella i'm with will be doing and i very much doubt i'll be able to complete my walk given they have added to it and took the bikes off us too.

We are currently getting out asap normally just before 9 but still struggle to get done for 1 ( the bloke who's on it now tells me)

What happens then guys??

have they given you your new start and finish times for the p&l duty , and what training you done ?

Times are staying the same unless they failed to tell me this training? what's that! done none apart from today from the AA man!!

our times changed drastically we moved from 7 start to 9 , the p&l mech is sequenced causing the later start, the times on sorting are very tight an hour fifteen to throw every thing off. your frames should be marked up for loops driver/walker once thrown off redirections done specials collected pdas scanned bag up take bags and oversize packets load up van and your away [1hr 20m] then youll see how good the frames are ,if timings are good and your buddy is equal to you ,you meet back up at van to next loop , some days we do big packets that match loop other days after mail del depends on size and where and how much you have loops can and will be imbalanced if you got a good partner you help each other, trackers also have to be done and scanned ,times havent changed on specials so you have to factor that in .the trolleys are a pain and slow you down but see how you get on hope this helps let us know if need anything else good luck

[19times]

our times changed drastically we moved from 7 start to 9 , the p&l mech is sequenced causing the later start, the times on sorting are very tight an hour fifteen to throw every thing off. your frames should be marked up for loops driver/walker once thrown off redirections done specials collected pdas scanned bag up take bags and oversize packets load up van and your away [1hr 20m] then youll see how good the frames are ,if timings are good and your buddy is equal to you ,you meet back up at van to next loop , some days we do big packets that match loop other days after mail del depends on size and where and how much you have loops can and will be imbalanced if you got a good partner you help each other, trackers also have to be done and scanned ,times havent changed on specials so you have to factor that in .the trolleys are a pain and slow you down but see how you get on hope this helps let us know if need anything else good luck

Cheers twobags that's helpful.

Nobody has explained how this works to me in person as of yet and i'm not sure anyone will the way our office is! seems everyone is just doing it their way and that's that!

I'm looking at it like, drop my buddy off where he wants, agree on where's best to park up then go and do my walk like normal but on foot! no idea if it's as simple as that though!!

Training is non existent these days.

[Hitcher]

Wrong.

You'll both do one duty, then go off and do the other after.

[POSTMAN]

Wrong.

You'll both do one duty, then take the other one back to the office.

Fixed.

[19times]

Wrong.

You'll both do one duty, then go off and do the other after.

Oh right!

Wrong.

You'll both do one duty, then take the other one back to the office.

Fixed.

I like this

I had a chat with our union Rep who explained it a little bit and basically said the walks should take 4 hrs a piece and said doing it out of a trolley has added 30mins to the deliveries, i looked at him like !!

Bottom line was you don't have to work past your time if you don't want which is all i need to hear really not sure what my buddy has to say regards this if he'd like to work past his time, it's a no from me