It was professor Clash..............in the DOMs office..........................with the cut off sheetclashcityrocker wrote:Is that when you sit around for a week playing Cluedo and Monopoly?music4essex wrote: Essex mum who is on waddingtons week off
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The Future....
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DGP1
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I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
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Shouldn't it be a Hasbro week?clashcityrocker wrote:Is that when you sit around for a week playing Cluedo and Monopoly?music4essex wrote: Essex mum who is on waddingtons week off
I see Clash more as a Miss Scarlett DGP.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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That's harsh. Fairly accurate but still harsh.fishtank wrote: I see Clash more as a Miss Scarlett DGP.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Oh please..................now I want picturesclashcityrocker wrote:That's harsh. Fairly accurate but still harsh.fishtank wrote: I see Clash more as a Miss Scarlett DGP.
I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
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I thought Mr Green Titoist............clashcityrocker wrote:That's harsh. Fairly accurate but still harsh.fishtank wrote: I see Clash more as a Miss Scarlett DGP.
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the worst guys are those who openly brag about working there days off and shafting the floater who signed for that duty for that day ,who gets moved to a duty theyve not a clue about ! Yet when theres a strike they are the ones who shout and harass the so called,,strike breakers , to myself and others they are as bad if not worse .One guy not long ago asked a member of staff are you not working youre day off ,,were doing it all the time ,knowing full well the floater was in earshot ! Makes me sick to the stomach .
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Well that's the floater's duty on the day off so the duty holder should do something else.
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Manager: Will you work your day off next week John?
John: Only if I can do my duty?
Manager: Well I only have tough duty no. 1 to cover.
John: I'll leave it then
Manager: Oh please come in I'm desperate. Bob can do no. 1 and you can do your own.
John: Only if I can do my duty?
Manager: Well I only have tough duty no. 1 to cover.
John: I'll leave it then
Manager: Oh please come in I'm desperate. Bob can do no. 1 and you can do your own.
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POSTMAN
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Well versed on here that scenario,wank colleagues and even bigger wank union reps.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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hantsman
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It will take an employment tribunal to get RM to change this unfair practice IMHODorset Plodder wrote:I agree with both of the points made especially about the Holiday/Sick entitlement. There are plenty of Posties on this site that have been working 39 plus hours a week for months at a time. But of course only getting their contracted hours for Holiday/Sick!IloveMYredTROLLEY! wrote:One of my biggest gripes is that PT are given "Hobson's choice" for bailing out depot managers when it comes to cut-offs and ABS overtime, so that they can take home a vaguely decent pay packet, yet I have not heard anything to date about the CWU giving these people better contracts.Phantom wrote:The ONLY way to create more full time positions is for part timers to stop doing overtime, it really is that simple BUT part time wages are too low so thus the overtime and vicious circle continues.
For example, it is so outrageous for these PT staff to get pro-rata extra holiday/sick pay (upto the 39 hour week entitlement after revision) for these extra hours they do?This too important a problem to be left in the hands of Incompetent Management or Obstructive HR. I know others will say you get an average of the last 13 weeks worked but no-one in my office has been successful in claiming it.
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This thread would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. 
“Shorts,in this weather?!”
“If they’re bills I don’t want ‘em!”
“What’s she been ordering now?”
“If they’re bills I don’t want ‘em!”
“What’s she been ordering now?”
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[quote="fishtank"]POSTAL SERVICES BILL 2010
IMPACT ASSESSMENT
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/impa ... 10-129.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ii) Working practices
5.2.36 The Hooper Review also highlighted a number of working practices which restrict Royal
Mail’s efficiency
“Demarcation. Employees in some mail centres have been known to refuse to work in the delivery office, for example, even though both are on the same site”.
quote]
"The terms Spanish practices or old Spanish customs are United Kingdom expressions that refer to irregular or restrictive practices in workers' interests. Typically, these are arrangements that have been negotiated in the past between employers and unions.
The issue arises because, in United Kingdom law, a contract of employment consists of both expressed and implied terms.[1] Implied terms can arise through "custom and practice". Historically, alteration of these terms has been by negotiation and collective bargaining."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_practices" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Henry and others v London General Transport Services Ltd [2002] IRLR 473 CA
Disputes over contractual terms have kept lawyers in good business over the centuries. There is an unofficial hierarchy of ways of establishing contractual rights. The ideal is an unambiguous term in a contract signed by both parties. One of the hardest ways of establishing a contractual right is to rely on custom and practice. As the lawyer's clich&233; goes: custom and practice is the last refuge of a scoundrel when no better arguments are to hand.
But the case of Henry and others v London General Transport Services Ltd is a useful reminder of the scope and power of custom and practice and when the principle can be invoked particularly in the arena of collective bargaining.
In this case the TGWU was recognised by the employer and in anticipation of a management buy-out a framework agreement was negotiated with the union, accepted by the union on behalf of its members after a series of workplace meetings and details of the new terms being posted around the workplace. The framework agreement reduced the workers' wages and other terms and conditions. Individuals were also asked to sign new terms and conditions. Of the 1,500 staff, 130 signed a petition objecting to the new changes and asserted they were working under protest. Two years later they commenced wages claims for the balance between the old and the new pay rates.
There were two issues for the Employment Tribunal were the workers bound by the agreement between the employer and the union and had they anyway affirmed the contractual changes by working to the new terms for two years in spite of their petition?
The tribunal found that although there had been a tradition of collective bargaining with the TGWU for many years, indeed a closed shop before these were outlawed, it was not satisfied that the tradition was sufficient to establish that such fundamental changes were incorporated into individuals' contracts by virtue of collective bargaining. "Strict proof" of the custom and practice had to be shown by the employer (as the party seeking to rely on the custom and practice in this case). Furthermore the petition in protest was sufficient to protect the individuals' rights: they had not elected to affirm the amended terms and conditions of employment by remaining at work.
Neither the Employment Appeal Tribunal nor the Court of Appeal agreed. The tradition of collective bargaining between employers and the recognised trade union was sufficient to establish a custom and practice that fundamental changes such as those in the framework agreement were incorporated into individual contracts. The Court of Appeal has taken the opportunity to set out the principles.
1.In order to a establish custom and practice, clear evidence of the practice is required, but the evidence is assessed on the balance of probabilities, not strict proof;
2.If a custom and practice is established that changes are incorporated into individual contracts through collective bargaining, it can be expected to cover all terms, unless there is evidence that the custom and practice is otherwise.
The Tribunal had also been wrong to find that the employees could still rely on their petition objecting to the changes, after working to the new terms for two years. For a limited period of time they would be able to say they had not agreed the changes, but not after working for two years as normal alongside their colleagues who had agreed the changes.
In this case, unusually it was the employers seeking to rely on custom and practice to establish contractual rights. Their success is a timely reminder that custom and practice can be a useful haven for unions seeking to show that long held practices amount to contractual rights."
http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/ltext/l1160002.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
IMPACT ASSESSMENT
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/impa ... 10-129.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ii) Working practices
5.2.36 The Hooper Review also highlighted a number of working practices which restrict Royal
Mail’s efficiency
“Demarcation. Employees in some mail centres have been known to refuse to work in the delivery office, for example, even though both are on the same site”.
quote]
"The terms Spanish practices or old Spanish customs are United Kingdom expressions that refer to irregular or restrictive practices in workers' interests. Typically, these are arrangements that have been negotiated in the past between employers and unions.
The issue arises because, in United Kingdom law, a contract of employment consists of both expressed and implied terms.[1] Implied terms can arise through "custom and practice". Historically, alteration of these terms has been by negotiation and collective bargaining."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_practices" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Henry and others v London General Transport Services Ltd [2002] IRLR 473 CA
Disputes over contractual terms have kept lawyers in good business over the centuries. There is an unofficial hierarchy of ways of establishing contractual rights. The ideal is an unambiguous term in a contract signed by both parties. One of the hardest ways of establishing a contractual right is to rely on custom and practice. As the lawyer's clich&233; goes: custom and practice is the last refuge of a scoundrel when no better arguments are to hand.
But the case of Henry and others v London General Transport Services Ltd is a useful reminder of the scope and power of custom and practice and when the principle can be invoked particularly in the arena of collective bargaining.
In this case the TGWU was recognised by the employer and in anticipation of a management buy-out a framework agreement was negotiated with the union, accepted by the union on behalf of its members after a series of workplace meetings and details of the new terms being posted around the workplace. The framework agreement reduced the workers' wages and other terms and conditions. Individuals were also asked to sign new terms and conditions. Of the 1,500 staff, 130 signed a petition objecting to the new changes and asserted they were working under protest. Two years later they commenced wages claims for the balance between the old and the new pay rates.
There were two issues for the Employment Tribunal were the workers bound by the agreement between the employer and the union and had they anyway affirmed the contractual changes by working to the new terms for two years in spite of their petition?
The tribunal found that although there had been a tradition of collective bargaining with the TGWU for many years, indeed a closed shop before these were outlawed, it was not satisfied that the tradition was sufficient to establish that such fundamental changes were incorporated into individuals' contracts by virtue of collective bargaining. "Strict proof" of the custom and practice had to be shown by the employer (as the party seeking to rely on the custom and practice in this case). Furthermore the petition in protest was sufficient to protect the individuals' rights: they had not elected to affirm the amended terms and conditions of employment by remaining at work.
Neither the Employment Appeal Tribunal nor the Court of Appeal agreed. The tradition of collective bargaining between employers and the recognised trade union was sufficient to establish a custom and practice that fundamental changes such as those in the framework agreement were incorporated into individual contracts. The Court of Appeal has taken the opportunity to set out the principles.
1.In order to a establish custom and practice, clear evidence of the practice is required, but the evidence is assessed on the balance of probabilities, not strict proof;
2.If a custom and practice is established that changes are incorporated into individual contracts through collective bargaining, it can be expected to cover all terms, unless there is evidence that the custom and practice is otherwise.
The Tribunal had also been wrong to find that the employees could still rely on their petition objecting to the changes, after working to the new terms for two years. For a limited period of time they would be able to say they had not agreed the changes, but not after working for two years as normal alongside their colleagues who had agreed the changes.
In this case, unusually it was the employers seeking to rely on custom and practice to establish contractual rights. Their success is a timely reminder that custom and practice can be a useful haven for unions seeking to show that long held practices amount to contractual rights."
http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/ltext/l1160002.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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stokes11eg
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Re: The Future....
twobags wrote:problem is in our office the bods who are quick [the corner cutters] are the ones who are looked after and looked after,![]()
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Straight4ward
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Re: The Future....
Not always.spoodoo wrote:the worst guys are those who openly brag about working there days off and shafting the floater who signed for that duty for that day ,who gets moved to a duty theyve not a clue about !
Our floater would sacrifice small children to an Inca god to get out of doing my duty. She hates it with a passion!
Shame I haven't worked my day off since the revision.
"Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
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Dorset Plodder
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Re: The Future....
Our Manager used to have the bright (Correct) idea that if someone wanted to work their day off. on their duty, he always used to ask the Reserve IF THEY minded covering a different duty. Which I thought was the right thing to do. 
As mentioned a lot of Mangers seem to give in to "Pester Power" from some of our so called colleagues.
Pity they don't realise that if someone wants the OT that badly they've only got to refuse them covering THEIR DUTY a couple of times and they'll either cover another duty or stop Pestering him about it! 
As mentioned a lot of Mangers seem to give in to "Pester Power" from some of our so called colleagues.
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)