Scheduled Attendance being removed

[wandle]

As the company sheds 24,000 jobs the idea of S.A becomes more and more unsustainable.
S.A. was always morally questionable...now it's also embarrassingly outdated.

Unless you currently do it in which case the union must protect your earnings.

Personally, I think more emphasis should be made on raising basic pay so that people don't need to do overtime or SA.

Shouldn't every trade union in this country be striving towards full employment (and a fair wage) for all those who wish to have a job ? Idealogically, is it not better to have more RM people in full-time jobs, than have some people living on three-quarters of a wage whilst others in the same office earn both Basic Pay AND guaranteed overtime every week ?

[Viewfindergeneral]

Personally, I think more emphasis should be made on raising basic pay so that people don't need to do overtime or SA.

Shouldn't every trade union in this country be striving towards full employment (and a fair wage) for all those who wish to have a job ? Idealogically, is it not better to have more RM people in full-time jobs, than have some people living on three-quarters of a wage whilst others in the same office earn both Basic Pay AND guaranteed overtime every week ?

Well that sums up what happens in my office nicely. And to rub salt into the wound, those lucky enough to be paid "overtime" for supposedly "working" 48 hours a week in fact don't even "work" a total of 40 hours a week.

[youwot!!!!!]

As the company sheds 24,000 jobs the idea of S.A becomes more and more unsustainable.
S.A. was always morally questionable...now it's also embarrassingly outdated.

Unless you currently do it in which case the union must protect your earnings.

the union is committed to making as many full time jobs as possible and if that means that s/a goes then the union won't fight to hard to protect your earnings.
every one is right about the 4 weeks notice period and this works both ways as you have to gice the 4 weeks notice if you don't want to do the s/a any more.
s/a is only compulsary IF YOU HAVE SIGNED FOR IT.if you have been working the s/a without signing for it and you don't want to do it any more then you do't need to give 4 weeks notice but again it works both ways if you haven't signed for it.

[Bahia Feliz]

Thanks for that really informative description of Scheduled Attendance.
The point I was making (perhaps a little too facetiously I grant you) is that in a time when we are struggling to maintain full time jobs, overtime in any shape or form is impossible to defend.
One full timers scheduled attendance is keeping a colleague on a part time contract.
We currently have approx 40 hours of SA in our office. That is a full time job of work.
Would you defend those people's "right " to o/t or would you rather see that work redistributed so 4 p/t staff could be made f/t or 2 people could be taken off the dole and give a p/t contract?

An office may have 10 lots of 4 hour s/a's doing collections i.e 15.00 to 19.00 so how can they cancel them and convert it to one full time job clashcityrocker you dimwit!

[fishtank]

An office may have 10 lots of 4 hour s/a's doing collections i.e 15.00 to 19.00 so how can they cancel them and convert it to one full time job clashcityrocker you dimwit!

Never heard of hybrids in your part of the world?
It's an especially good way to maintain full-time work when indoor work is allegedly falling...like now.
Dimwits...

[baldrick]

every one is right about the 4 weeks notice period and this works both ways as you have to gice the 4 weeks notice if you don't want to do the s/a any more.
s/a is only compulsary IF YOU HAVE SIGNED FOR IT.if you have been working the s/a without signing for it and you don't want to do it any more then you do't need to give 4 weeks notice but again it works both ways if you haven't signed for it.

Well that's right in theory - but in practice how can RM make you do SA even if you originally signed a SA contract, if you no longer want to?
I didn't give any notice when I stopped doing SA. I just stopped doing it. There isn't anything RM can do, is there? Except perhaps banning you from doing SA or OT, but if you don't want to do it, that won't matter.

[clashcityrocker]

An office may have 10 lots of 4 hour s/a's doing collections i.e 15.00 to 19.00 so how can they cancel them and convert it to one full time job clashcityrocker you dimwit!

Never heard of hybrids in your part of the world?
It's an especially good way to maintain full-time work when indoor work is allegedly falling...like now.
Dimwits...

His part of the world.....Aylesbury. Probably grammar school educated.
Postman are you really going to allow that level of vindictive name calling to go unchallenged?
What sort of site are you now running?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Thanks for that really informative description of Scheduled Attendance.
The point I was making (perhaps a little too facetiously I grant you) is that in a time when we are struggling to maintain full time jobs, overtime in any shape or form is impossible to defend.
One full timers scheduled attendance is keeping a colleague on a part time contract.
We currently have approx 40 hours of SA in our office. That is a full time job of work.
Would you defend those people's "right " to o/t or would you rather see that work redistributed so 4 p/t staff could be made f/t or 2 people could be taken off the dole and give a p/t contract?

An office may have 10 lots of 4 hour s/a's doing collections i.e 15.00 to 19.00 so how can they cancel them and convert it to one full time job clashcityrocker you dimwit!

4 hour days - in other words 20 hour weekly contracts - have we never heard of that in deliveries and a lot cheaper as well.....

I won't call you a dimwit though.....

[Lounge Lizard]

As the company sheds 24,000 jobs the idea of S.A becomes more and more unsustainable.
S.A. was always morally questionable...now it's also embarrassingly outdated.

Unless you currently do it in which case the union must protect your earnings.

Personally, I think more emphasis should be made on raising basic pay so that people don't need to do overtime or SA.

Shouldn't every trade union in this country be striving towards full employment (and a fair wage) for all those who wish to have a job ? Idealogically, is it not better to have more RM people in full-time jobs, than have some people living on three-quarters of a wage whilst others in the same office earn both Basic Pay AND guaranteed overtime every week ?

"Personally, I think more emphasis should be made on raising basic pay" - maybe, but at £9.51 per hour, including 'Delivery Supplement', for what is basically an unskilled job I don't think the CWU, especially with the leadership it has, has much chance of getting us much of a rise.

[DGP1]

"Personally, I think more emphasis should be made on raising basic pay" - maybe, but at £9.51 per hour, including 'Delivery Supplement', for what is basically an unskilled job I don't think the CWU, especially with the leadership it has, has much chance of getting us much of a rise.

Speak for yourself about unskilled, I have great skill in annoying the boss, dodging dogs/cats/various farmyard livestock, cutting off and generally being a pain in the arse

[youwot!!!!!]

every one is right about the 4 weeks notice period and this works both ways as you have to gice the 4 weeks notice if you don't want to do the s/a any more.
s/a is only compulsary IF YOU HAVE SIGNED FOR IT.if you have been working the s/a without signing for it and you don't want to do it any more then you do't need to give 4 weeks notice but again it works both ways if you haven't signed for it.

Well that's right in theory - but in practice how can RM make you do SA even if you originally signed a SA contract, if you no longer want to?
I didn't give any notice when I stopped doing SA. I just stopped doing it. There isn't anything RM can do, is there? Except perhaps banning you from doing SA or OT, but if you don't want to do it, that won't matter.

your spot on there mate.if you don't want o/t or s/a AT ALL then there is sod all they can do except B&H.