Question for a Union Guru

[Punk]

Just lately i have been feeling under worked and over paid, mainly cuz i am off work on the sick.

I am currently on a stage 1 warning from last year. Last month i injured my foot on duty and was off work for 4 days before being badgered back into the circus cuz they was short of clowns again, i did however log it as an accident at work. I limped round for 2 weeks and have sinse had to go sick yet again, albeit with a doctors note for the same injury.

What i wondered is, will they count an accident at work towards a stage 2 warning?

Thanks

Punk

"Thou shall not covert the office nark's cushy duty, he hath been rewarded with that for grassing up his former friends and preaching the word of thy glorious management"

[POSTMAN]

...why come back if you're not ready,especially an AOD.?
As for the AOD counting towards a next stage,that depends on how you got the injury and what mood your Managers in.

If you got shot at by a gang of hoodies with elephant guns then you may just scrape it.
If the Managers Wife/Boyfriend put out the night before the same applies.

On a serious note,not that the above is totally fictitious or out of this world.
They don't have to discount AOD's,but if you can prove that they pressured you back to work then you could have a case.
And it also depends on the accident.
I've had AOD's before and the screw hasn't discounted them,even one which was in the office!!
They are cutting down on letting them go as there are so many of them,even though i would of thought a large majority of them are genuine.

Also are you outside these limits??

Stage 1: 4 absences or 14 days in a 12 month period
Stage 2: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months
Stage 3: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months


As for your little preach,i say get hold of 'im and give 'im a good f***ing hiding

[L Tommo]

Sorry to hear you are off sick at the moment. We are a business that premotes Health and safty in the work place!!!
I hear as in your case NO:------------ That you had a Accident on duty as stated and we will investigate this.
WE realise the accident was put in the accident book and since you came back after( 4 days) In good faith!!!!!
WE DONT GIVE A MONKEYS UNCLE THAT U LIMPED ROUND FOR TWO WEEKS IN PAIN WITH THE SAME INJURY!!!!
THEN WENT SICK WITH A DR's NOTE,, AS WE WILL ISSUE A STAGE 2 FORTHWITH AS WE ARE HORRIBLE c***s!!!
I Hope this clears things up as we await too see u soon for a RTU as all we want is to sack anyone with the gall to
injure themselfs and still be living??? You still took the piss!!! As you breath and should thank Royal Mail For letting you to do so!!


OUT


DR BIG AL & CONSULTANT lil adam!!

[phantomshare]

as postman said, they don't have to discount the AOD but they have to consider it also get your rep to ask to see your back to work discussion notes, or can you remember saying you weren't fit enough? it should be logged down and this could be to your advantage.

[Punk]

Thanks for the advice, i've definately triggered a stage 2 now and its odds on i'm gonna get it by the sounds. Oh well, 12 months aint that long to go without being ill or having a hangover i guess.

[POSTMAN]

I've managed bout 15 months bar a half day the other week.
I was on an rtu,the thing is every time you say twist your ankle or feel a pull somewhere,you s**t yourself just in case it gets worse.
Not a way to live and work

[ROCKY]

STAND YOUR GROUND IT IS THEIR DECISION ,AND AOD SHOULD NOT COUNT,IF YOU HAVE A PREVIOUS GOOD RECORD POINT IT OUT,ALONG WITH THE POINT THAT YOUR EARLY RETURN AT THEIR BEHEST HAS CAUSED YOU SERIOUS PAIN, AND DISCOMFORT FAR ABOVE WHAT YOU WHAT HAVE HAD IF YOU LET THE INJURY MEND AT ITS OWN SPEED,THE EXTRA TIME OFF BECOMES THEIR FAULT NOT YOURS

[Zorro]

Last month i injured my foot on duty and was off work for 4 days

This depends on wether you contributed to the accident. ie If you pushed open a gate and it fell on your
Royal Mail shoe covered foot, you will be covered by AOD and it wont go towards a stage warning.

If on the other hand, you pushed the gate and it dropped onto your brand new Nikey slave sewn kiddie trainer, Royal Mail could say that as you were not wearing RM approved footwear. You are contributal to the accident and it will count towards a stage warning.

I limped round for 2 weeks and have sinse had to go sick yet again, albeit with a doctors note for the same injury.

This should be linked to the first AOD by your CWU Rep ie both absences counted as one and total days counted as AOD.

[johnnyp]

Good post Zorro

[Big Daz]

Zorro's post is line with practice in my area. How ever if Royal Mail accept part of the blame for a AOD local managers still like to issue warning as they can get away with it due to no right of appeal!

[Punk]

Thanks for the comments and advice.

Fortunately i was shod head to toe in official RM gear, so they cant get me on that one. I'm far to tight to be wearing me own clobber to work!

I actually did it changing a wheel on my van, couldn't budge one of the nuts so i used me foot to push down on the wheel brace and it slipped off. Manager has apparently been asking the drivers if we've ever had any training on changing wheels, we aint, so he cant use that neither.

I'm gonna make a fight of it anyhow and not just take it up the ar*e, might as well there's nowt to loose.

Cheers

[johnnyp]

Why didnt the work shop come out and change it?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Why didnt the work shop come out and change it?

Good question to ask the Manager at the interview

[POSTMAN]

I think he might do you for changing the wheel,it's not your job,you would be very lucky if you get away with it.
Unless you guys do it as the norm,which i can't see.
Sorry Punk

[ROCKY]

what size van, you only change wheels if you feel comfy with the idea, but anything bigger thana 50 and it should be a shops job to change,in theory anyway,for us depending on who you are you aint going anywhere unless you diy