3.5 hour delivery

[Godric]

5 hour plus in my office for years (since the last revision) unless you've got one of the light town duties

4- 5 hour delivery spans in our office and ours are town walks ... they've been like that since the sdd started 2003/04 ... we have never had a proper revision in our office ... only table top revisions and they are no use

[pokos27]

some are 4.5 hours or 2 hours if you have a nice town walk, with no paths, rurals can be 6 hours plus, depends on volume of mail as well.

[Viewfindergeneral]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

[clashcityrocker]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

A table top revision utilises the wisdom and experience of the posties that do the job day in day out.
A Geo route revision uses a computer to optimise delivery routes so they no longer work.

[Viewfindergeneral]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

A table top revision utilises the wisdom and experience of the posties that do the job day in day out.
A Geo route revision uses a computer to optimise delivery routes so they no longer work.

So there is no actual planning of a delivery when a table-top revision takes place. It is just done by local knowledge and if a postie wasn't consulted then management could just pluck a figure out of the air and say, for example, "that duty can be done in 6 hours a day" without actually testing it?

What I'm getting at is would there be anything in writing to justify making a duty 30 hours when it is actually in reality more like 40 hours?

[clashcityrocker]

So there is no actual planning of a delivery when a table-top revision takes place. It is just done by local knowledge and if a postie wasn't consulted then management could just pluck a figure out of the air and say, for example, "that duty can be done in 6 hours a day" without actually testing it?

What I'm getting at is would there be anything in writing to justify making a duty 30 hours when it is actually in reality more like 40 hours?

The manager should consult with the rep/staff to ensure the walks are fair and achievable.
Therefore if you think any duty is not achievable you should be able to have your input.
Ultimately if there was continuing disagreement you should have the duty tested.

Even the densest of managers must have realised by now that unless you consult the staff before a revision it will be a disaster.
A business that is apparently insolvent can't afford any more disasters.

[Viewfindergeneral]

Well, because my manager has refused to test my walk, I decided to test it myself. By using http://www.gb.mapometer.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I traced my delivery exactly to every delivery point and the total mileage was 10.75 miles. By my reckoning, at an average speed of 2.5mph, this works out at 4 hours 10 minutes to deliver to every house. This doesn't include attendance calls, replenishment or indoor work of approx. 2.5 hours per day. But of course, according to him it can be done as a 30 hour duty.

[Big Daz]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

A table top revision utilises the wisdom and experience of the posties that do the job day in day out.
A Geo route revision uses a computer to optimise delivery routes so they no longer work.

So there is no actual planning of a delivery when a table-top revision takes place. It is just done by local knowledge and if a postie wasn't consulted then management could just pluck a figure out of the air and say, for example, "that duty can be done in 6 hours a day" without actually testing it?

What I'm getting at is would there be anything in writing to justify making a duty 30 hours when it is actually in reality more like 40 hours?

Yes remove the IPS. The 30 hour duties at my D.O are more or less identical to 40 hour ones but simply have no IPS.

[Big Daz]

What you need to do is look at how many hours are being used weekly for IPS delivery duties and see what that figure goes down to if the duty was prep and delivery only. I imagine the deliveries across the country that have had the BT2010 treatment may not be suitable for a 30 hour prep and delivery only duty but more like a 35 hour week.

[Viewfindergeneral]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

A table top revision utilises the wisdom and experience of the posties that do the job day in day out.
A Geo route revision uses a computer to optimise delivery routes so they no longer work.

So there is no actual planning of a delivery when a table-top revision takes place. It is just done by local knowledge and if a postie wasn't consulted then management could just pluck a figure out of the air and say, for example, "that duty can be done in 6 hours a day" without actually testing it?

What I'm getting at is would there be anything in writing to justify making a duty 30 hours when it is actually in reality more like 40 hours?

Yes remove the IPS. The 30 hour duties at my D.O are more or less identical to 40 hour ones but simply have no IPS.

But the thing is I do IPS and I start at the same time as F/T. For all intents and purposes nearly identical duties. My delivery is only 10 less calls than one of the F/T ones. There is no justification for one delivery being F/T 40 Hours and one P/T 30 Hours

[Big Daz]

Do you have drastically less mail to sort for your duty? Do you have a quicker to deliver to housing type?

If not then it sounds like your manager is very optimistic of your ability to work at the speed of light.

[Viewfindergeneral]

Do you have drastically less mail to sort for your duty? Do you have a quicker to deliver to housing type?

If not then it sounds like your manager is very optimistic of your ability to work at the speed of light.

Probably 80-90% detached houses, slightly less to sort but not to make that much difference.

[fishtank]

Why would a part-timer start at the same time as a full-timer..working the same number of days?

[Viewfindergeneral]

Why would a part-timer start at the same time as a full-timer..working the same number of days?

Yep! And you're confused. Imagine how I feel

[Godric]

What is the difference between a table-top revision and a geo-route revision?

A table top revision utilises the wisdom and experience of the posties that do the job day in day out.
A Geo route revision uses a computer to optimise delivery routes so they no longer work.

So there is no actual planning of a delivery when a table-top revision takes place. It is just done by local knowledge and if a postie wasn't consulted then management could just pluck a figure out of the air and say, for example, "that duty can be done in 6 hours a day" without actually testing it?

What I'm getting at is would there be anything in writing to justify making a duty 30 hours when it is actually in reality more like 40 hours?

that is exactly what happened in our place