What Will happen To This Guy?

[fishtank]

Isn't the DOM supposed to check all the vehicles on a weekly basis?

No the weekly van check is done by the driver..as is the daily.
The weekly check should have a form to fill in with a checklist.
One of the items on the list is the condition of the tyres and tread depth.

[PhilthyPhil]

Assuming they are close to the limit It is worth getting them checked again with a proper gauge incase they are just on the limit. If they really are totally bald then hes stuffed. He would be very likely to face conduct code although not dismissal unless he has a bad record already. Our fleet manager tried to have me conduct coded for getting a puncture saying I can't have carried out a proper check. The ****s will try anything

we were told who ever takes out the van first does a full check but the next driver only does a visual check

duty checks include a visual inspection of tyre tread, pressure and sidewall

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

All the checks to be done are at the start of the vehicle log book, there are three diferent sections, duty to be completed by every driver on start of their duty in the van, daily to be done by the first driver of the van daily, weekly to be done by the first driver of the van weekly, each of these checks are then ticked by the driver who completes them in the log book before he starts driving, thus taking responsibility for them and the condition of the vehicle

If there is no log book being used then the manager is in the poo as its his responsibility as part of the company's O licence to ensure these checks and the records of them are being done and kept

[clashcityrocker]

Isn't the DOM supposed to check all the vehicles on a weekly basis?

No the weekly van check is done by the driver..as is the daily.

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This is what I was thinking of.

[fishtank]

Isn't the DOM supposed to check all the vehicles on a weekly basis?

No the weekly van check is done by the driver..as is the daily.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... ks#p278682" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is what I was thinking of.

It's possible that your DOM may wish to supervise your van check.
We have around 60 vans so that isn't likely but it doesn't make any difference anyway.
For the purposes of the Road Traffic Act 1988 the driver whose name is last recorded in the logbook is considered responsible for the roadworthiness and security of the vehicle until responsibility is transferred to the next driver by signature in the log book so really it makes no odds whether your manager has checked it...it's your problem.

[scum_opg]

Today a colleague of mine was stopped by police on his delivery for having bald tyres. They gave him three points and the van has to be brought to the station on Monday. Of course no managers about on a Saturday afternoon to deal with this. Will he be in deep s**t?

from the Drivers Manual...

Always obey the requests of uniformed Police or VOSA officers to stop your vehicle at designated check-points.
Police Authorities have devolved the ‘power to stop’ to uniformed officers of the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA), an agency of the Department for Transport. Police and VOSA officers will always be in uniform. If in doubt, or when carrying high-value/priority (for example time-critical) mail, request the officer accompany you to the nearest Police station or Royal Mail premises, where you will proceed with the request

from the following points... i'd say your mate is in a heap of trouble

Always complete necessary vehicle control documents.
Always sign out/return your vehicle and keys. Always use the Vehicle Condition & Mileage Logbook (P1061E) to record your vehicle checks. Always complete a PMT1 Fault Report where your checks identify a vehicle fault. Details are also contained in the front of the logbook

Your vehicle must be in a roadworthy condition whenever driven on the road.
Do not take an unroadworthy vehicle on to the road under any circumstances – if in doubt, ask your workshop. Check the logbook for outstanding faults. Report any faults you find to your manager immediately using a PMT1 Fault Report and make a record in the Vehicle Condition & Mileage Logbook (P1061E). Check the ‘service/inspection due’ sticker in the cab, to ensure your vehicle is not overdue maintenance or inspection. Undertake the necessary driver’s daily/duty/weekly checks. The final decision on the roadworthiness of a vehicle rests with a professional driver

Tyres
Tyres must be free from any defects which might cause damage to any person
or the surface of the road.
It is illegal to use a tyre if:
A the tread does not have a depth of at least 1.6mm throughout a continuous band measuring at least three quarters of the breadth of the tread and round the entire outer circumference of the tyre, for vehicles under 3.5 tonnes gvw and 1mm for vehicles over 3.5 tonnes gvw.
B it has a break in its fabric or has a cut in excess of 25mm or 10 per cent of
the section width of the tyre, whichever is the greater, which is deep enough
to reach the body cords.
C it is not sufficiently inflated as to make it fit for the use to which the vehicle
or trailer is being put.
D it has any lump, tear or bulge caused by separation or partial fracture of
its structure.
E it has any portion of the ply or cord exposed.
F it does not have the ordinary tread pattern of the tyre clearly visible at the base of each groove.

the part that i think could open your mate upto even more trouble would be how he dealt with the police, if he was stopped while moving as opposed to being approached while stopped

If VOSA has set up a vehicle check-point, a uniformed Police officer or a uniformed accredited VOSA officer (stopper) must be in attendance. They have the authority to stop you and ask you to travel up to five miles off route to check your vehicle, where they think a roadworthiness fault is present.
However, vehicles have been stolen or robbed by criminals using this system, so take care when deciding what to do.
If you are stopped by a Police officer or VOSA officer and asked to leave the vehicle you should consider:
• are the officers properly uniformed and is the site properly identified?
• are other vehicles being checked?
• does the situation appear normal?
If you are in any doubt you should politely say your instructions forbid you to leave the vehicle.
If the person concerned does not accept this explanation you should offer to:
• drive the vehicle to the nearest Police station so contact can be made with your manager.
• drive to the nearest Royal Mail site.
• stay in your vehicle until your manager arrives.
• call the Police if you believe the check is suspicious.
• in circumstances where you feel threatened or in danger, you should display the mails security card (appendix 12), which will provide an adequate response to anyone with a legitimate reason to ask you to leave your vehicle.
Under no circumstances put yourself at risk.
Ensure you do not open the door and only open the window a fraction so you
can talk.

[jonsboys]

Tyres dont just go bald over night! Its the responsibility of the driver and someone is not checking the vans daily as they should or the baldness would have been picked up quickly! I get mighty cross as being a floater i regurlary have to get tyres changed as some drivers are lazy gits!!!! I want my licence to stay clean!

[postman8]

Didn't we have this discussion ages ago with some people point blankly refusing to do checks? Just goes to show,10 mins of rm time, saves you serious grief.

do you get 10 mins for checks we were told 6 mins was the time allocated ?

[hannie2002]

you say he got 3 points today how many does he have now as i think ya only allowed 6 to work for royal mail for insurance i might be wrong.

[DGP1]

you say he got 3 points today how many does he have now as i think ya only allowed 6 to work for royal mail for insurance i might be wrong.

It's only 6 for new starts, for the rest of us it's up until you lose your licence (known people with 11 points to continue driving).

[hannie2002]

thanks for that mate the question is then is he new to the job or been there for many years in which he should know better

[sparkx]

Didn't we have this discussion ages ago with some people point blankly refusing to do checks? Just goes to show,10 mins of rm time, saves you serious grief.

do you get 10 mins for checks we were told 6 mins was the time allocated ?

Surely the checks take the time they take, would you really start a stopwatch when you start them and then stop precisely on 6 minutes and risk points on your licence if you hadn't got round to looking at the tyres in that time. That said realistically how long does it take to check your lights, tyres and fluid levels It's not exactly a lengthy process.

[fishtank]

Didn't we have this discussion ages ago with some people point blankly refusing to do checks? Just goes to show,10 mins of rm time, saves you serious grief.

do you get 10 mins for checks we were told 6 mins was the time allocated ?

[R@YAL F@IL]

I thought it was 3 points per tyre saying that he would lose his licence so perhaps I am wrong but like many have said the 15 mins on Monday then 10 mins per day after that means there is NO EXCUSE to spot faults on your van, I lift the bonnet every day and check levels then check the rest of the van like seat belts tyres lights etc it is the easiest part of the day.

[bandit650]

A manager is supposed to do OMV checks or his/her managers are to do checks they are supposed to do so many a day so that all the fleet in hand that belong to the DO are done every week,this is part of the OMV paperwork that goes up toward the audit for the office.

Make sure you do your OMV checks everyday and always always check your tyre's they seem to be really hot on them at the moment and alot of posties don't know this,also if you have not been shown how to do a check on change over which seems to be the norm then go to your manager and say something because it seems that when these company's come in to do the change over they are skipping the checks but they still get the money so we as a business are paying for something that we are not getting and it should be put right,also you have signed to say that you have done that part on your changeover which will leave you open if anything goes wrong.