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Royal Mail delivering 'human tragedy' of scam mail

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Royal Mail delivering 'human tragedy' of scam mail

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Scam mail has been arriving in Britain's letterboxes in a steady stream for years, targeting the most vulnerable and robbing many of their savings. But what role does Royal Mail play in getting it to your front door? Panorama's Tom Heap reports.

Last year alone, Royal Mail delivered 1.7bn pieces of junk mail to British homes.

And while local authorities grapple with the cost of disposing of the masses of paper involved amid squeezed budgets, others worry about a darker side of the Royal Mail's letters business - the delivery of scam mail.

Scam mail letters are sent by fraudsters from overseas countries who try to persuade people to part with money on false promises of winning cash prizes.

If a victim replies to one of these "tempter letters" their name can end up on a so-called "suckers list" of vulnerable people that can then be sold on to criminals all over the world.


Royal Mail are delivering, in effect, coach loads of criminals to the houses of elderly and vulnerable people. They are the link between the victim and the scammer

Marilyn Baldwin, daughter of scam mail victim
These cons are estimated to cost their victims £2.4bn a year and have prompted one MP to call for a change in the law so that scam mail can be intercepted as it enters the UK.

Once scam mail has entered the UK postal system Royal Mail have a legal obligation to deliver it.

'Local look'

But a BBC Panorama investigation has highlighted that Royal Mail owns 33% of the Netherlands-based company that is enabling large amounts of the scam mail to get into Britain.

Spring Global Mail handles vast amounts of mail for legitimate international business, but it is also being used by scam mail fraudsters. The balance of the company is owned by the Dutch postal service, Post NL.

Worrying for some critics is the "local look" service offered by Spring Global and Royal Mail whereby letters from abroad bear the Royal Mail postmark and have no trace of their overseas origins.

Fraud investigator Detective Chief Superintendent Steve Head of City of London Police said the Royal Mail logo is seen by some victims as a stamp of legitimacy.


Most scam mail comes from abroad but carries a 'local look'
"I think the downside is that when people get that and they see that Royal Mail brand, that brand counts for something," he said. "That whole idea that in actual fact there is this local look, somehow gives that mail that kind of credibility."

Mike Haley, director of the National Fraud Authority, which is working with Royal Mail to tackle the issue, said more needs to be done.

"We're trying to make Spring Global and Royal Mail more aware of the human tragedy that this type of fraudulent mail impacts on victims. I think they need to understand the terrible consequences of delivery of this mail to some people."

Marilyn Baldwin, whose late mother Jessica Looke was scammed out of £50,000 after becoming addicted to scam mail, said in her mother's case, the Royal Mail stamp of approval was a factor in her belief that the scams were real.

"My mother used to say, it isn't a scam, it's genuine. This is the Queen's mail."

She said Royal Mail has a responsibility to society's most vulnerable.

"The Royal Mail are delivering, in effect, coach loads of criminals to the houses of elderly and vulnerable people. They are the link between the victim and the scammer."

Big business

In a statement, Royal Mail said it was working closely with police to stop scam mail from entering the system: "We very much understand the upset and disquiet that scam mail can cause households across the country, including vulnerable people.

"We do not want our postmen or women handling or delivering mail that causes harm. We have made significant progress in our efforts to root out scam mail as we intensify our drive against it."

Royal Mail said it has acted on complaints to halt distribution of some scam mail and is following up other leads to put a stop to even more.



Tom Heap turned his family's junk mail into a brickette for the fireplace
"If this turns out to be scam mail harmful to the recipients, we will stop it, irrespective of the cost and loss of revenue to Royal Mail," the statement said.

Spring Global said it too is working closely with police and other agencies to prevent scam mail slipping through. Of the "local look" postmarks, it said in a statement: "Local look is a recognised international marketing activity to prepare mail with a foreign postal indicia. This happens across the world and not just in the UK. The vast majority of companies using such a service are legitimate businesses that are looking to reduce costs and improve response rates."

Since January, Spring Global said it has worked with the Metropolitan Police and Royal Mail to get an estimated 6m items of scam mail out of the system.

Legitimate junk mail - or advertising mail - is, according to Richard Hooper, who authored a report for the government on Royal Mail's future, central to the financial viability of Royal Mail.

Mr Hooper found that income from legitimate advertising mail accounts for nearly a quarter of Royal Mail's letters business - £1.3bn out of a total of £5.4bn.

"The supreme irony is that without advertising mail, you would not have a universal postal service," he said.

Rubbish issue

Local councils are facing the cost of getting rid of the 1.7bn pieces of advertising mail which come through our letterboxes each year.

In Cornwall alone, the local council estimates that 4,000 tonnes of junk mail are ending up in landfill every year - enough to fill about 500 dustcarts that amount to about 3% of the overall waste Cornwall dumps into landfill.

Esther O'Bearagh, from Cornwall council, said it costs around £700,000 to landfill junk mail each year.

"It's quite incredible when you start doing the maths," she said.

Even if all that junk mail were successfully diverted to the recycling box, the cost to the county would sill be close to £500,000 a year at around £119 a tonne.

And it is a scenario that is believed to be replicated across the UK.

The Direct Marketing Association defended the junk mail onslaught, pointing out that sales due to junk mail amount to £16bn a year.

Executive Director Chris Combemale said more than half of the UK population made a purchase as a result of a piece of direct mail last year.

"I don't really like the phrase junk. Junk is untargeted, unuseful, unvaluable."

Panorama: Why Hate Junk Mail? BBC One, Monday, 4 July at 2030 BST and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.
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Delivery of Scam Mail

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From the BBC
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I had always thought that we should be able to do something about these scam letters, there are a lot of people out there that think these things are genuine, and we should be able to warn them at the least.
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I'm getting a real sense of deja vu here .Hasn't this all been investigated before ? and wasn't Royal Mail found to part own the Dutch company that was handling the stuff and wasn't rm going to do something about it ? I'm convinced we've been thru this once before although maybe before rmc ?
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Response from Marilyn Baldwin following Panorama ( BBC1 Monday 4th July 2011)

I started the Think Jessica campaign following my mother’s death in 2007. Since then, Think Jessica has gained the support of the Met Police, Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) National Fraud Authority, Action Fraud, Direct Marketing Association, Trading Standards Institute, National Fraud intelligence Bureau, Lancashire Constabulary and countless other agencies, organisations and police forces across the country. I have always felt that the Royal Mail and Spring Global mail held the key to help stop a crime wave, which for many years, has been seen by criminals abroad as a lucrative business. This is something that I have spoken openly about on national television and radio, and at presentations I have given to agencies, organisations, charities and police forces. I am pleased that as from 2011 the Royal Mail and Spring Global mail are now working alongside Operation Sterling and others. I am however saddened that this has happened too late to save my mum. Obviously; myself and a great many others wish action had been taken years ago.

My mother received her first scam letter over 8 years ago and there is still a long way to go, but I do feel we have finally turned a corner.

Spring Global Mail has recently agreed to Sponsor Think Jessica. We would like to thank Spring Global Mail; we look forward to their on-going support and having their logo on our material and website.

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Frustrated Post Office counter staff have contacted Think Jessica to tell us, they are witnessing elderly victims of mail scams buying postal orders, stamps and making cash withdrawals, yet they are powerless to intervene. Think Jessica has asked the Post Office, if their staff could have access to our literature and display our posters, we said our material could be amended in style, and carry their logo.

Unfortunately they said No. :roll:

Senior Marketing Managers at Post Office limited told us “There are strict controls about the forms and leaflets that can be made available to the public in post offices”. We appeal to the senior marketing Managers to reconsider their decision, because millions of victims and potential victims do not have internet access or anyone looking out for them. We feel this would be an effective way of reaching out, warning and educating them about Mass Marketing Fraud. It would also send out a strong message to the perpetrators of these crimes.

We continue to campaign for “Jessica’s Scam Syndrome”(JSS) to be recognised as a mental health condition & those diagnosed to be separated from scam mail for their own protection, with or without their consent. See our open letter to the PM at the top of this page.

If you would like to support Think Jessica please visit our "Please Support us" page.
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i had some scam mail the other week cards for a dodgy company that look similar to our p739's, call this premium number for our prize, all aimed at the elderly people on my round who might think its a parcel waiting for them, very suspicious i went to the lino and was told to deliver it without fail quote' not our problem', i kicked off saying that i did not want to be a part in scaming my elderly residents and was then threatened with willful delay, i was furious so folded them up really tight and put them in with the door to doors and explained to those i saw it was nothing to do with us. Relations within the office between me and the manager are not on good terms. Put simply cant stand him.
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We continue to campaign for “Jessica’s Scam Syndrome”(JSS) to be recognised as a mental health condition
I respect the great campaigning work Marilyn does on this issue but not every out of the ordinary behaviour has to be classed as a 'disorder' or a 'syndrome'. Some people, personality wise, are just more suspecitable to confidence trick style scams. And yes, it is also partly a cultural and generational thing. A society and nation is largely built on trust. A lot of these older people are still of that mindset. That quote from Jessica about Royal Mail being the 'Queen's Mail' says it all. So it can be trusted. And this is what Thatcherism has gone a long way to destroying in Britain, and in fact, right across the western world. It always amazes me the special hatred a lot of older people seem to hold for Thatcher. Especially when we're told older people tend to be conservative. What is forgotten is that they're often small 'c' conservative and the Tories under Thatcher were anything but conservative. They introduced radicial liberal economic policy, so no surprise we saw radical changes in society. This sort of scam, on the same scale, just wouldn't have happened 35-40 years back.
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According to the maths in this article we can see the following absurdity:

1.7billion items of junk mail handled last year.
Richard Hooper report found that revenue raised from junk mail was 1.3billion pounds per year.

So EACH LEAFLET after deliver earned the company on average 76p.

That figure is atleast 10times more than it should be. Who is this Richard Hooper fool and what are these lies trying to hide? The fact that we don't need to fill landfill sites across this small island with thousands of tons of waste paper?
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Panarama

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In case you weren't aware, tonights Panarama at 8.30pm is about direct mail in the UK.
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I totally agree that something should be done.
i think rm "drag there heels" because all revenue is good. :no no
i do resent the implication that only rm deliver junk mail.
or that private companies dont ,
or even that things would improve in a more deregulated/privatized world. :crazy:
Only governmental or police led action can solve this if companies wont take responsibility.
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cow post wrote:In case you weren't aware, tonights Panarama at 8.30pm is about direct mail in the UK.
Heard about this on the news today. Apparantly RM own like 1/3rd of a company who forwards foreign con-mail from an address in the UK to make it look legit! shocking really...
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Same old bloody woman on it complaining that her stupid mother was taken in by it. She does the rounds every 6 months or so banning her drum on this issue.
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Hmm, panorama has just proved what we already knew, Royal Fail do not care about anything other than making money :arrrghhh
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Bad Royal Mail bad Royal Mail. :no no :no no

I'm assuming if we take away all the scam mail that will be 30% (quoted in panorama programme), down, meaning more job losses. Or are RM taking this into account before the planned job losses.
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anTi wrote:Same old bloody woman on it complaining that her stupid mother was taken in by it. She does the rounds every 6 months or so banning her drum on this issue.
I don't blame her, letters like those prey on old folk. I had a guy on my walk that would get about 100 of them per week. He was a widower and lonely and was easily taken in by them.