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30/06/2011. General strike.

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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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DV doesn't need my help to defend himself from you. :roll:
Pleased to hear it Fishy, though ironically, you're still doing it without even realising it... :chuckle .
I'll have to wait and see how long it'll take you to jump to his defence next time, though.. :Sick

{It was more a cross between "Dancing with Wolves" and "Water Margin" cliches rather than fortune cookies, on reflection. :Very Happy :chuckle }
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

Tman, you crack me up, you're such an arse :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

I mean, was your post not a cliche in itself. :wave
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Solidarity and Respect two words Tman undoubetdly understands the defintions of, but perhaps dislikes the application of, at least on RMC.

(posted in a personal capacity)
It was the way it was written rather than the points being made. Given some of the banter the posties use in my MC, some of you more delicate creatures would need to grow a thicker skin very quickly....or at least, need to understand what's being said.
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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dvbuk55, one of my goals is to meet certain people, although i dont know you i feel i do after all these years on RMC. Good luck and please PM me for a load of old bollox with a mate.
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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I mean, was your post not a cliche in itself. :wave

What I say something to you and your mate, then you say it back to me?
KInd of missing the point there, DV, but I suppose your journey has been long and you are tired....
:chuckle
please PM me for a load of old bollox with a mate.
It's OK Random, clearly he's already got that.. :chuckle
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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Ruminations on the Scab: RIP Jack London for the above creature.

Jack London, who died today on November 22nd in 1916, was an American author most famous for writing The Call of the Wild. He was a pioneer in the world of commercial magazine fiction, and he was one of the first Americans to make a lucrative career exclusively from his writing.

One of London’s most famous writings is “The Scab“.

What is a scab? Simply, a person who purports to do the same amount of work as another person, but for less money. According to Jack London, anyone who undercuts another person, as far as wages or compensation for labor, may be considered a “scab”.


In a competitive society, where men struggle with one another for food and shelter, what is more natural than that generosity, when it diminishes the food and shelter of men other than he who is generous, should be held an accursed thing? Wise old saws to the contrary, he who takes from a man’s purse takes from his existence. To strike at a man’s food and shelter is to strike at his life; and in a society organized on a tooth-and-nail basis, such an act, performed though it may be under the guise of generosity, is none the less menacing and terrible.

It is for this reason that a laborer is so fiercely hostile to another laborer who offers to work for less pay or longer hours. To hold his place, (which is to live), he must offset this offer by another equally liberal, which is equivalent to giving away somewhat from the food and shelter he enjoys. To sell his day’s work for $2, instead of $2.50, means that he, his wife, and his children will not have so good a roof over their heads, so warm clothes on their backs, so substantial food in their stomachs. Meat will be bought less frequently and it will be tougher and less nutritious, stout new shoes will go less often on the children’s feet, and disease and death will be more imminent in a cheaper house and neighborhood.

Thus the generous laborer, giving more of a day’s work for less return (measured in terms of food and shelter), threatens the life of his less generous brother laborer, and at the best, if he does not destroy that life, he diminishes it. Whereupon the less generous laborer looks upon him as an enemy, and, as men are inclined to do in a tooth-and-nail society, he tries to kill the man who is trying to kill him.

Before someone writes in complaining that this definition of a “Scab” is defamatory, consider the following:


After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue ….

This passage figured in a 1974 Supreme Court case, in which justice Thurgood Marshall quoted the passage in full and referred to it as “a well-known piece of trade union literature, generally attributed to author Jack London.” A union newsletter had published a “list of strike breakers,” which was granted to be factual and therefore not libellous, but then went on to quote the passage as the “definition of a scab.” The case turned on the question of whether the “definition” was defamatory. The court ruled that “Jack London’s… ‘definition of a scab’ is merely rhetorical hyperbole, a lusty and imaginative expression of the contempt felt by union members towards those who refuse to join,” and as such was not libellous and was protected under the First Amendment.

Jack London wrote The Scab in 1903 and died in 1916 at the age of 40…..
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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Tman wrote:
I mean, was your post not a cliche in itself. :wave

What I say something to you and your mate, then you say it back to me?
KInd of missing the point there, DV, but I suppose your journey has been long and you are tired....
:chuckle
please PM me for a load of old bollox with a mate.
It's OK Random, clearly he's already got that.. :chuckle
Tman, I am knackered and I thank you for your time, much appreciated...........so good of you to take the time to spend with an aged person. You must come to visit me in the old folks home, always assuming I can remember who I am :cuppa
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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Jack London :hmmmm Hopefully the reference to "The Scab" is actually attributable to him rather than to some of the authors he was reputed to have plagiarised..........including Call of the Wild. :shock:
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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J30 Newcastle.

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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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If you tolerate this,then your children will be next. :sad:
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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POSTMAN wrote:If you tolerate this,then your children will be next. :sad:
Yes, quite, next for what?
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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dvbuk55 wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:If you tolerate this,then your children will be next. :sad:
Yes, quite, next for what?
I suppose more of this...but worse.
I think we reached a peak in the late 80's/early 90's where retirement age,pensions and life expectancy were pretty reasonably matched.
If you retired at 60 with a decent occupational pension you could reasonably expect another 15-20 years of quality life.
Now your looking at 65-70 with higher contributions and a lower payout...can someone who has done physical work for perhaps 50 years really expect to make it to 85-90 years old.
Many companies in many different countries are finding difficulty sustaining private pensions and no-one is arguing that with longer life expectancy...something has to give but you have to understand that the UK has the poorest state pension in Europe...an embarrassment.
I don't want my kids to have to work until they drop DV.
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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fishtank wrote:I suppose more of this...but worse.
I think we reached a peak in the late 80's/early 90's where retirement age,pensions and life expectancy were pretty reasonably matched.
If you retired at 60 with a decent occupational pension you could reasonably expect another 15-20 years of quality life.
Now your looking at 65-70 with higher contributions and a lower payout...can someone who has done physical work for perhaps 50 years really expect to make it to 85-90 years old.
Many companies in many different countries are finding difficulty sustaining private pensions and no-one is arguing that with longer life expectancy...something has to give but you have to understand that the UK has the poorest state pension in Europe...an embarrassment.
I don't want my kids to have to work until they drop DV.
What we leave behind for our kids is our legacy.<cliche for Tman> :cuppa
Do you know something ft, I don't want to live to 85/90. Old age is a problem -especially care of the elderly - exhorbitant charges for care, which the pension goes nowhere near to covering, this new look at health care for the old is welcome and may go some way to alleviate some fears. I would imagine for people without pensionable employment the future is looking more bleak as the years go on. The longer you wait to start a pension the more expensive it becomes. Perhaps the Government should make the NI contribution higher or even levy an independent charge specifically for care and pension. I firmly believe it can no longer be a question of choice but a legislative move to compel people from the start of employment to save for retirement at a high enough level to sustain a pension to an age based on the average life expectancy.
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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dvbuk55 wrote:I firmly believe it can no longer be a question of choice but a legislative move to compel people from the start of employment to save for retirement at a high enough level to sustain a pension to an age based on the average life expectancy.
And that extra ability to save will come from where?...Higher wage levels?...not without the kind of fight that random is talking about and that sadly seems beyond most.
It's not simply an unwillingness to save for the future...it's also an inability in a lot of cases,especially in those far closer to the minimum wage level than we are.
Whether we fight to protect the pensions we have or fight for a decent wage for all to enable us to save more for our retirement the fight is the same...and against the same people....i know...more cliches. :chuckle
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Re: 30/06/2011. General strike.

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More clichés i know but “When injustice becomes LAW rebellion becomes DUTY!" Another cliche is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and that is a truth we as workers live with every day! the question has to be what side are you all on, the bosses like some here on RMC or working people be they your educators, parents or grandparents, peers or children? Our struggle has lasted for thousands of years and has always failed because we have never learnt that we have the power but would rather act like sheep and be told what to think and do because we know no better. Education, Organisation, EMANCIPATION has to be our goal.

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