tea breaks

[POSTMAN]

Scenario: 5 or 6 or whatever is bollox,that is unforseen,of course the postie will say hold on where's sid and sarah but the screw would only reply it's happened in the last 5 mins.

Now if there were sid and sarah's packets left or something like that and they had been allowed home then while the postie would still have to do the work the rep would have to sort that kind of s**t out.

[fishtank]

If you refuse what they term a reasonable request the ground you are standing on has to be rock solid.
That is why you are given the opportunity to speak to your rep.
The minute you flat refuse to do anything you are in a hole,it's a dangerous game and should be avoided if possible.especially if you are not experienced in dealing with managers.
What may have seemed completely unreasonable out on the floor can be twisted a thousand ways to make you wish you had kept your mouth shut once you step into the office...but by that time it can be too late.
Always seek advice from your rep and if he/she isn't around the default position should be do whatever it is....and then raise the issue officially afterwards.

[Cheetah]

Re: above, as long as they haven't let anyone else go home, as soon as one is let go everyone else is entitled to go also!!!

What rule/agreement/law would that be...?
Sure you could maybe raise a grievance,stamp your feet a bit,maybe try to take Royal Mail to an ET for letting somebody else go home early and not little you...but they would most likely throw it out as being a pointless waste of time.
This isn't the playground Sexylegs,it's big boys stuff and your advice will just get decent members into trouble.
You cannot claim unfair treatment when all you are being asked is to fulfil your contract because you are suffering no harm or detriment,it doesn't matter what the guy next to you does or gets away with or when he goes home.

Better have a word with our Area Rep then Fishtank, cos he argued that very fact and management agreed, as soon as one goes, all go!

Scenario: 5 or 6 Town walk posties finish at 11.30am, they go in the office and says I've finished, managers say nowt to do boys, get yourself off home, 5 mins later managers get a call saying a van is needed somewhere else so they need to take one over, so you think it's fair that after they've let x number go the next postie back is expected to go wherever to drop a van off, which takes about an hour at our place?

I'm glad I don't work with you fishtank, get it fair or don't comment!!!

Don't you just love know alls!

Trade Unions were built by people like your good self ...... I DON'T THINK!!!!!

Here's another senario for you.....
1. Do the job properly...i.e Don't Go In Early,....Don't Use Your Own Transport,.... Stop Running Round Like A Clown,.... Take Care And Keep Secure Customers Mail,.... Don't Take Out Overweight Bags,.... Only Use Official Bag Drops,.... etc etc
2. Take your meal releifs.
Then you won't finish early, in fact on many days you will go over and be able to book some overtime, and won't be killing the job..... Mind the gaffa's wouldn't be pleased with you then would they, sorry never thought of that did I, silly me.....

[walkthewalk]

Re: above, as long as they haven't let anyone else go home, as soon as one is let go everyone else is entitled to go also!!!

What rule/agreement/law would that be...?
Sure you could maybe raise a grievance,stamp your feet a bit,maybe try to take Royal Mail to an ET for letting somebody else go home early and not little you...but they would most likely throw it out as being a pointless waste of time.
This isn't the playground Sexylegs,it's big boys stuff and your advice will just get decent members into trouble.
You cannot claim unfair treatment when all you are being asked is to fulfil your contract because you are suffering no harm or detriment,it doesn't matter what the guy next to you does or gets away with or when he goes home.

Better have a word with our Area Rep then Fishtank, cos he argued that very fact and management agreed, as soon as one goes, all go!

Scenario: 5 or 6 Town walk posties finish at 11.30am, they go in the office and says I've finished, managers say nowt to do boys, get yourself off home, 5 mins later managers get a call saying a van is needed somewhere else so they need to take one over, so you think it's fair that after they've let x number go the next postie back is expected to go wherever to drop a van off, which takes about an hour at our place?

I'm glad I don't work with you fishtank, get it fair or don't comment!!!

Don't you just love know alls!

Trade Unions were built by people like your good self ...... I DON'T THINK!!!!!

Here's another senario for you.....
1. Do the job properly...i.e Don't Go In Early,....Don't Use Your Own Transport,.... Stop Running Round Like A Clown,.... Take Care And Keep Secure Customers Mail,.... Don't Take Out Overweight Bags,.... Only Use Official Bag Drops,.... etc etc
2. Take your meal releifs.
Then you won't finish early, in fact on many days you will go over and be able to book some overtime, and won't be killing the job..... Mind the gaffa's wouldn't be pleased with you then would they, sorry never thought of that did I, silly me.....

Not forgetting to take the full 30 minute session of WTL

[SexyLegs]

As I said you're all know alls!!! lol

Of course it's not fair to let posties go and then keep some back if unexpected work comes in, how dumb are you all?

The only fair outcome is to make everyone stay until their finish time every day, unfortunately you then get rurals and townies who live on or near their walks going home until twenty minutes prior to their finish time, so actually that's not fair either.

Subsequently another fair way is to let the flyers get on with it if that's what they want, get finished and go, if they get caught and asked to do something else then so be it, if they don't then fair play to them, but be aware there is no fair way to deal with this problem, come on RMC and say do the job right, come in on time etc etc all you want, I do all those things already, people prep at different rates with different levels of intensity, the same with delivering so there is no fair way, cast your opinions all you like, it's an impossible situation that will never be sorted out.

End of thread!

[RTP]

from the way forard

Breaks at the beginning or end of attendance

Where an attendance is provided with more than one break, the second break may be scheduled at the beginning or end, in which case attendance is not required solely for booking on or off. A single break should not be scheduled at the beginning or end of the attendance.



Grace Breaks

When work permits a grace break of 10 minutes, over and above the standard entitlements, should be allowed on all indoor and outdoor jobs. In no circumstances should this be scheduled. Where it is not possible to provide a grace break before going out on first delivery the employee should be given the chance to have cup of tea before leaving the office.

Meal Brakes for non-standard, as part-time and extended attendances

Part-time jobs, and full-time jobs with non-standard attendance patterns, will attract meal breaks for each daily attendance as followed, reflecting a generally pro-rata entitlement to the national weekly standard:

Attendance length total breaks probable pattern

Less than 2 hours 30 minutes none (a 10 min grace break should be provided if work permits)
2 hours 30 to 3 hours 10 mins 10
3 hours 1 to 3 hours 30 15 mins 15
3 hours 31 to 4 hours 59 20 mins 20
5 hours to 7 hours 30 mins 30
7 hours 1 to 8 hours 59 40 mins 40 or 20 + 20
9 hours to 10 hours 59 50 mins 30 + 20
11 hours to 12 hours 59 60 mins 40 + 20 or 30 + 30
13 hours or longer 70 mins 40 + 30

Pending completion of the discussions intended to conform with the requirements of the Working Time Regulations, any exceptional attendances of 15 hours or longer will attract an entitlement of 80 minutes.

The actual pattern of breaks within these rules will be agreed locally.

Does anyone have this available as a download?

[fishtank]

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[RTP]

Thank you