Why can't we...

[bigjames]

So what is the answer?

How do we collectively as a business move forward and make a profit?

We have had every sort of negativity pitched into the ring, but precious little constructive criticism. If the people who run POL have made such a bad job of it, what would you change? Where will we find new income streams to replace the core business that has being taken away from us by successive governments? If there was a complete change of direction tomorrow that put you guys in charge, what would you do? How would you find the money to pay Saturday Premium? How would you stop the WHSmiths deal? How would you secure everyone's future? And if you hate managers so much, how would you decide who is in charge?

No really, let's hear some actual ideas, rather than the usual stuff about it all being someone elses' fault/responsibilty etc etc.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

[armani]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

And there lies the Fundamental flaw.

Why should we help out a business in ruin. The business that allows me to have a good lifestyle, working condition, leave entitlement.

However when the Union stick their heads up we are falling over each other to help them. I'll hold the nail boys and you drive in the hammer.

What an attitude

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

And there lies the Fundamental flaw.

Why should we help out a business in ruin. The business that allows me to have a good lifestyle, working condition, leave entitlement.

However when the Union stick their heads up we are falling over each other to help them. I'll hold the nail boys and you drive in the hammer.

What an attitude

You could swallow a nail and I'll bet you would s**t it out as a corkscrew. The business might allow you a good lifestyle, working conditions and leave entitlement, but most of us live in the real world.

[bigjames]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

The last time I looked the Royal Mail Corporate Umbrella, including it's mail arm the Royal Mail, and it's public facing arm Post Office Limited were wholly owned by one shareholder - The Government. Unfortunately, like it or not, we are directly responsible for electing our Government so technically the Royal Mail Group is the property of the British people, run for us by the Government, and the people they put in charge. So in theory we should all reap the benefits of the profits that are made, or in the case of POL stand the cost of the £70million we lose each year. Until such time as the Government sells the company off it does belong to us, all of us. So in answer to your question -"why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own?" I say why the hell not? it is your company, and in terms of POL it would be more accurate to speak of coming up with ideas to reduce our losses.

[jacee]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

And there lies the Fundamental flaw.

Why should we help out a business in ruin. The business that allows me to have a good lifestyle, working condition, leave entitlement.

However when the Union stick their heads up we are falling over each other to help them. I'll hold the nail boys and you drive in the hammer.

What an attitude

Forgive me for raising my not quite so servile head above the parapet , but I thought that the reason we have "a good lifestyle, working conditions and a leave entitlement" was because our union constantly fights to keep and improve them - they are an entitlement, not something that our generous and godly employer "allows" us. If royal mail had it's way we would all be on the minimum wage, wearing little good service stars and asking - would you like insurance with that?

[armani]

So what is the answer?

How do we collectively as a business move forward and make a profit?

We have had every sort of negativity pitched into the ring, but precious little constructive criticism. If the people who run POL have made such a bad job of it, what would you change? Where will we find new income streams to replace the core business that has being taken away from us by successive governments? If there was a complete change of direction tomorrow that put you guys in charge, what would you do? How would you find the money to pay Saturday Premium? How would you stop the WHSmiths deal? How would you secure everyone's future? And if you hate managers so much, how would you decide who is in charge?

No really, let's hear some actual ideas, rather than the usual stuff about it all being someone elses' fault/responsibilty etc etc.

At the end of the day Big Guy, the answers have been made to the questions. The problem lies with people not willing to do the job asked of them. Every hurdle has been hit on the way along the track. Its easier to make excuses than it is to get on with the job for some people. Roll on the implementation of MUP. Will make working in branches so much better.

Hopefully Postie pat can get me some POL Colleagues to answer why its so hard for Us (as a collective) to do our bit instead of getting caught up in the politics

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

The last time I looked the Royal Mail Corporate Umbrella, including it's mail arm the Royal Mail, and it's public facing arm Post Office Limited were wholly owned by one shareholder - The Government. Unfortunately, like it or not, we are directly responsible for electing our Government so technically the Royal Mail Group is the property of the British people, run for us by the Government, and the people they put in charge. So in theory we should all reap the benefits of the profits that are made, or in the case of POL stand the cost of the £70million we lose each year. Until such time as the Government sells the company off it does belong to us, all of us. So in answer to your question -"why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own?" I say why the hell not? it is your company, and in terms of POL it would be more accurate to speak of coming up with ideas to reduce our losses.

It's not my company. It's not my government either. Theory might be alright for people like you, but some of us live in the real world. We have a government and a system of management which is out to screw us into the ground. Now, shiny arses like you and little Lord Fountleroy there might be unable to see that, but plenty of us can. You just carry on strike breaking and sucking up to your betters and I'll continue to watch this system you are in awe of kill itself by its own corruption. The idea of asking us to bail out the company isn't a new one. They tried it years ago by asking the Children of Isreal to make bricks without straw. And we know what happened to that business.

[armani]

Why should we come up with ideas to generate more profit for a business we don't own? It's not as though the group is a collective. Every day of the week, I can look around and see how things could be done in a more efficient way and I'm certain many others could do the same. Until such time as we own Royal Mail and the PostOffice, I won't be putting any ideas forward.

And there lies the Fundamental flaw.

Why should we help out a business in ruin. The business that allows me to have a good lifestyle, working condition, leave entitlement.

However when the Union stick their heads up we are falling over each other to help them. I'll hold the nail boys and you drive in the hammer.

What an attitude

Forgive me for raising my not quite so servile head above the parapet , but I thought that the reason we have "a good lifestyle, working conditions and a leave entitlement" was because our union constantly fights to keep and improve them - they are an entitlement, not something that our generous and godly employer "allows" us. If royal mail had it's way we would all be on the minimum wage, wearing little good service stars and asking - would you like insurance with that?

Well why dont we offer The cheifs of the CWU the Salaries of Alan And Adam and they can run the company if they have been so good for us over the years. The ONLY thing (and its fair enough) the union thinks about is the workers as thats how they get their money and voice. However they can't keep take take taking from the company as eventually they will run out So Stick your nut back in to the parapet.

Now why do you think we'd be on minimum wage? I'll give you a clue. Horrendous Losses. Infact if we weren't Govt. owned we'd be all earning £5.65 with asda, Wh Smith and the likes.

[armani]

It's not my company. It's not my government either. Theory might be alright for people like you, but some of us live in the real world. We have a government and a system of management which is out to screw us into the ground.

Well why do you and your type keep leeching from the company and living a good life in a good country. Why don't you get a ''reality'' check and perhaps you could shifty to Isreal to show the kids how to build bricks with straw.

You'd be saving the construction industry of Israel and the people that WANTED to work for RMG would and we'd all live happily ever after. Amen Bruvva

[IWW Fellow Worker]

However they can't keep take take taking from the company as eventually they will run out

The only people constantly taking from the company are the parasites allegedly managing it. The rest of us earn our money.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

It's not my company. It's not my government either. Theory might be alright for people like you, but some of us live in the real world. We have a government and a system of management which is out to screw us into the ground.

Well why do you and your type keep leeching from the company and living a good life in a good country. Why don't you get a ''reality'' check and perhaps you could shifty to Isreal to show the kids how to build bricks with straw.

You'd be saving the construction industry of Israel and the people that WANTED to work for RMG would and we'd all live happily ever after. Amen Bruvva

You sad sod! You remind we of William Hague. Do yourself a favour and educate yourself. Left to scum like you we would have kids working down mines and in factories. You're a suitable case for treatment and idiots like you are holding the rest of us back.

[DirtyHarry]

Take, take, take? So, what was it we didn't give,give,give, when the last lot of completely disastrous "major change" went through, ala,
SDD? .................. I'm afraid to have to say, there is nothing about you, or your fellow serf, bigjim, that convinces me that were your views held by
the majority of postal workers, we'd all be rolling in clover. More like, up to our necks in shite, we'd all be.

[DGP1]

It's not my company. It's not my government either. Theory might be alright for people like you, but some of us live in the real world. We have a government and a system of management which is out to screw us into the ground.

Well why do you and your type keep leeching from the company and living a good life in a good country. Why don't you get a ''reality'' check and perhaps you could shifty to Isreal to show the kids how to build bricks with straw.

You'd be saving the construction industry of Israel and the people that WANTED to work for RMG would and we'd all live happily ever after. Amen Bruvva

OMG must be a BNP member

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Take, take, take? So, what was it we didn't give,give,give, when the last lot of completely disastrous "major change" went through, ala,
SDD? .................. I'm afraid to have to say, there is nothing about you, or your fellow serf, bigjim, that convinces me that were your views held by
the majority of postal workers, we'd all be rolling in clover. More like, up to our necks in shite, we'd all be.

Don't go quoting facts at it Harry! It's read The Courier.