The truth behind the London Mail Centre plan

[belle smith]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

When RM identify problems, they idetify everyone as a problem. No one works hard enough! why can't you complete? these pesky child labour laws are holding the company back! If only we could ofshore to a country that doesn't have them!

That RM have identifyed London as a problem doesn't mean that it is.

[dvbuk55]

Royal Mail is a business. Its purpose is to make money. It is no longer a service and it is no longer a provider for public service employees regardless of cost. Next year or soon after it will be privatised even the labour party would have part privatised. The aims of the membership of the CWU and in fact all employees and the aims of the board of management for Royal Mail are diametrically opposed. It was a folly to engage in a mutual agreement knowing that those are the facts. IMO it would have been better to let RM take whichever direction it chose and to fight each individual issue on a stand alone basis instead of which................well that's history

[rockytony67]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

[mailman71]

if they get away with making posties redundant in london then heaven help the rest of us.
we in scotland have had an ongoing battles with management over the years with a lot of offices being forced into industrial action plenty times whilst trying to maintain decent conditions,but compulsary reduntancies is a whole different ball game which must be fought by everybody.

[dvbuk55]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

[POSTMAN]

if they get away with making posties redundant in london then heaven help the rest of us.
we in scotland have had an ongoing battles with management over the years with a lot of offices being forced into industrial action plenty times whilst trying to maintain decent conditions,but compulsary reduntancies is a whole different ball game which must be fought by everybody.

Nail on head.

[rockytony67]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

Glad you can stay on to 70, some of the posties here in London will be lucky to make 40, but then there a special issue oh how I bet you wish you were a special issue

[dvbuk55]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

Glad you can stay on to 70, some of the posties here in London will be lucky to make 40, but then there a special issue oh how I bet you wish you were a special issue

Shame. Still the law is the law.

[rockytony67]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

Glad you can stay on to 70, some of the posties here in London will be lucky to make 40, but then there a special issue oh how I bet you wish you were a special issue

Shame. Still the law is the law.

Yeah keep digging dvbuk55 if you carry on like this people will see you for what you are

[dvbuk55]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

Glad you can stay on to 70, some of the posties here in London will be lucky to make 40, but then there a special issue oh how I bet you wish you were a special issue

Shame. Still the law is the law.

Yeah keep digging dvbuk55 if you carry on like this people will see you for what you are

[rockytony67]

Perhaps the truth hurts. There was always going to be job losses that was implicit in the agreement and I am sure that Royal Mail are quite capable of identifying those areas. Post away rocky it makes no odds to me.

We know it makes no odds to you, thats the point, that's the person you show yourself to be with your post's anyway retirement beckons so you won't have to worry about RM and the CWU, but hang on, you left the union and you can't stop talking about it please don't tell me that when you retire, you will still be on here talking about posties from London and how easy they have it it can't be long now can it your retirement? maybe you can come down to London and I will take you around some of the easy walks, you never know you mights find the streets are paved with gold

Somehow I don't think it will be gold the streets are paved with and the good news is I have decided not to retire. I may go on to 70 now that legislation allows it. If it's any consolation rocky I believe that there are difficult areas and hard workers in London BUT there is painted by some a picture that there is a special issue and that they should be treated differently. The job losses are tragic quite true BUT there has been an inevitability of the area chosen and quite deliberately and you know the reason why. It would be best to accept what is rather than press a case that cannot win.

Glad you can stay on to 70, some of the posties here in London will be lucky to make 40, but then there a special issue oh how I bet you wish you were a special issue

Shame. Still the law is the law.

Yeah keep digging dvbuk55 if you carry on like this people will see you for what you are

I knew you wouldn't disappoint me

[REDLETTER]

Perhaps it just boils down to the fact that London MCs and Delivery Offices are overstaffed and underworked and that they have been over protected from reality for far too long. If there aren't any jobs then there aren't and any overarching objective is just that, an objective not a reality.

I was think the same, but would not put in such a rather direct way.

How can Royal Mail operate if these closures happen? Yes the volumes of mail in decline as some say. But there is still a need for staff in London, all the mail is not suddenly going to disappear! Pressure periods? it seems that the MCs will be running at 100% capacity all the time with no allowance for the peaks and troughs.

The cull has been happening across the country well before these events have appeared. Not by using CR but by intimidation , bullying and the digs that Posties have been subject to.
It is not Big Headline stories, it is the individual stories that the CWU have failed to address, Posties are pushed to their limits, leave, take EVR (When it was available) and work through their breaks, deliver extra for nothing because those higher up didn't take any action, the replies: see you Rep, See your Area Rep..........otherwise silence! These Reps are pushed to their limits dealing with everyday cr*p that the managers chuck at them, I feel the chain has broke, or some of the links are totally out of touch with the members.

I'd like to see the figures Royal Mail use to justify these closures, or is it another pen pusher on a computer deciding the fate of thousands.

[hubbahubba]

[hubbahubba]

Why don't you two get a room,and settle it mano a mano?

[DGP1]

Why don't you two get a room,and settle it mano a mano?

Sorry, did you say something....................just can't tak my eyes off your avatar