WARD & HAYES

[dvbuk55]

Sounds a lot like politics - hitch your wagon to the wrong star and before you know it you're coming last in an election and the proles are baying for your blood

It's a lot like politics DV..
Many get in to both systems for the right reasons and spend years trying to help your constituents because they are your protection but once you have climbed to the top you get yourself a nice comfy "safe seat" with a large majority and the importance of the electorate starts to fade a little..then the "party" becomes all important because the "party" is your protection.

I would presume then that once elected to those dizzy heights the manifesto/election promises to the membership become secondary..............erm one case springs to mind recently, poor old Nick Clegg for example, full of promises like no increased fees.............strange how once elected and bribed with the vice presidency, he finds justification for ditching the promises. Oh how familiar that feels whilst I was a member of the union.

[POSTMAN]

I'm jumping in on the meal break thing,i thought you could get busted if you didn't take your break for H&S reasons.
So if a manger didn't enforce it and it was regulary being skipped and something happened to one of us the manager could be in serious trouble.

[fishtank]

I'm jumping in on the meal break thing,i thought you could get busted if you didn't take your break for H&S reasons.
So if a manger didn't enforce it and it was regulary being skipped and something happened to one of us the manager could be in serious trouble.

In order to comply with working time regulations an employer has to...

1. offer workers all the breaks to which they are entitled
2. keep records of your workers' hours
3. monitor all workers' hours.

As far as H&S is concerned from the employer's point of view..

It is an employer's duty to protect the health, safety and welfare of their employees, and other people who might be affected by their business. Your employer must do whatever is reasonably practicable to achieve this.

From an employee's point of view though...

As a worker, you have a duty to take care of your own health and safety and that of others who may be affected by your actions. Health and safety legislation, therefore, requires employers and workers to co-operate.

So you could easily argue...and it has been successfully argued in the past that if an employer offers you your break and does NOTHING to discourage you from taking that break then the responsibility for any H&S implications has to be primarily the employees...after all what else should/could an employer do short of tieing you to a chair for 40 minutes.

[Big Daz]

Discplinary action is all thats left.

[fishtank]

Discplinary action is all thats left.

For not taking your break?
Show me where,how and under what possible circumstances......

[steven100]

Billy and Dave are doing a great job ........

[post_bitch]

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[Big Daz]

Discplinary action is all thats left.

For not taking your break?
Show me where,how and under what possible circumstances......

Im not saying it is but you asked a question and you have with the above all thats left, could write into contract I suppose?

[fishtank]

Disciplinary action for not taking your break is a non-starter.
Even if you could get it into writing it would be unenforceable without a couple of machine gun turrets and some heavily armed guards.
"You didn't have your break yesterday".
"Oh yes i did"..."Oh no you didn't" "Oh yes i did"."I had it at.insert random time" etc,etc.......

The only way to ensure that members take their break is to fill them up with work and make them return to the D.O. when they finish.
Remove the motivation for skipping your meal relief and in 95% of the cases you remove the problem....just ask the guys in the mailcentres,they are not stronger members,they just have nothing to "gain" from working through their breaks.
The other 5%...you can just point and laugh at.

[Big Daz]

When it comes to not taking the M/R at my D.O Mangement did not and never have done tried to fill that time, they work on the basis that the troops are are rescheduling their break from the middle of dleivery to the end of delivery. Finish time at my D.O is seen as 40 mins before the official finish time and thats what managers and OPGs work on. If somebody is cutting off then they can go home 40 mins early still as managers dont mind the break being taken at the end of duty!!

Now why do OPGs not take thier break at my D.O? Well its historical and pre dates J and F. Many moons ago in the days of the 6 day week the workload had grown to the point where upon return from first delivery everyone had very little duty time left so were allowed to work the remainder of their actual working time and then go home 40 mins early instead. Over time that became the norm and with the introduction of SDD revison the troops chose to carry on taking break at end of duty.

The problem now is that the troops dont realise that coming in early and no M/R dosent allways add up to the same amount of time they have gone home in early so then the question has to be asked is there spare capacity or is the OPG simply working like Superman/Supergirl. The troops would say the latter but again sometimes the surplus time can be so great its hard to see how there cant be spare capacity

[clashcityrocker]

Even if you could get it into writing it would be unenforceable without a couple of machine gun turrets and some heavily armed guards.

Now that is what we should have spent the First Line Fix money on.

[dvbuk55]

Even if you could get it into writing it would be unenforceable without a couple of machine gun turrets and some heavily armed guards.

Now that is what we should have spent the First Line Fix money on.

Now there's a blast from the past.