EARLY STARTS 17 SEPTEMBER/Message from CWU

Post by **dvbuk55** » 13 Aug 2007, 16:57

Early Starts 17 September

I've just heard that on Friday we will be receiving a letter stating our new start times wef 17 September.

Now I have also heard that this is RM wide.

If this is true then it would appear to go in the face of the agreement for no unilateral decisions and also against the agreement for a period of calm.

Has anyone else heard this?

coppertop · Post by **coppertop** » 13 Aug 2007, 17:01

I was told the only reason RM changed the start date for early starts was because it was a point of law they had not given enough notice for people to make relevant changes , so this was the reason and not the genorosity of RM. Maybee I am wrong but I do not think so.

somerset · Post by **somerset** » 13 Aug 2007, 17:09

dvbuk55 wrote:Early Starts 17 September

I've just heard that on Friday we will be receiving a letter stating our new start times wef 17 September.

Now I have also heard that this is RM wide.

If this is true then it would appear to go in the face of the agreement for no unilateral decisions and also against the agreement for a period of calm.

Has anyone else heard this?

Just put on the letter REFUSED return to sender.

meweavy · Post by **meweavy** » 13 Aug 2007, 17:10

we heard about these early starts/late starts..and as far as our office is concerned it is a case of exsecutive action on our bosses behalf..they are going against everybodies contract as youre start times are on youre contract..

so even though our boss for our office wants us to come in at 6.30 from the new start date,we are still coming in at 5.00 because it is against our contract to start at a later time..they are basically breaking the law by trying to force you to start at a different time to what it says on youre contract..

madelin4 · Post by **madelin4** » 13 Aug 2007, 17:12

brisomerset wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:Early Starts 17 September

I've just heard that on Friday we will be receiving a letter stating our new start times wef 17 September.

Now I have also heard that this is RM wide.

If this is true then it would appear to go in the face of the agreement for no unilateral decisions and also against the agreement for a period of calm.

Has anyone else heard this?
Just put on the letter REFUSED return to sender.

LOL...i wud say we mite get a team talk about it 2mor mayb! im sure they cant do it with the i a at the mo.. who knows.

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 13 Aug 2007, 17:40

IF YOUR SCREW BRINGS IT UP AT THE WTLL SESSION 2MORROW JUMP ON HIM FROM A GREAT HEIGHT, THERE IS A CLOSED SESSION GOING ON WITH THE TALKS, ASK HIM DOES HE WANT TO BREAK THE CONFIDENTIALLY

shelanda · Post by **shelanda** » 13 Aug 2007, 20:21

told by som today that 28day notice was given to Dave Ward before talks started so it still goes ahead. Told him to my knowledge we have to have notice and whilst the talks are going on there should be No NOTICE NO EX ACTION so how are they doing this without breaking agreement?

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 13 Aug 2007, 22:44

We were told at our office WTLL that any executive action had been suspended untill further notice and the talks had been concluded

Post by **dvbuk55** » 14 Aug 2007, 12:50

heapsy wrote:We were told at our office WTLL that any executive action had been suspended untill further notice and the talks had been concluded

This came from a Manager who I have no doubt is telling the truth - however his colleagues admit to no knowledge of the planned letter.

There is an area managers briefing at our DO today and so there may be some news from that.

AndyK · Post by **AndyK** » 14 Aug 2007, 13:18

No one seems to have an answer for this one, but i would ave thought until we get the letter on friday they won't of broke the agreement, they may also argue that the executive action takes place after the agreement EA starts 17th sept, talks finish on the 4th ?? still not sure though!!

angryanderz · Post by **angryanderz** » 14 Aug 2007, 19:51

does anyone know if the union has agreed to the change of start times or are they trying to do something about it??

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 14 Aug 2007, 19:54

angryanderz wrote:does anyone know if the union has agreed to the change of start times or are they trying to do something about it??

No agreement on later start times it's just RM being arseholes as usual trying to make us walk out

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 15 Aug 2007, 15:37

RE LATER START TIMES. HAVING CONTACTED THE CWU PERSONALY, BELOW WORD FOR WORD IS THE REPLY IV'E HAD BACK.
ROYAL MAIL HAD PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WOULD BRING IN LATER DUTIES ON THE 13TH OF AUGUST AND ONLY LIMITED COMPENSATION FOR LOSS OF SHIFT PAYMENT

AS A RESULT OF OUR CAMPAIGN OF ACTION THEY HAVE NOW PUT IT BACK TO SEPT-17TH AND SAID THEY WILL PAY THE SHIFT PREMIUM INDEFINITELY FOR THOSE ALREADY IN THE JOB SO OBVIOUSLY WE ARE HAVING AN EFFECT.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE UNION HAS AGREED WITH THEM OR THAT WE WILL ACCEPT THE 17TH AS AN ULTIMATUM. WE ARE TRYING TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ON ALL MATTERS UNDER DISPUTE, INCLUDING LATER START TIMES AND NOW WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE TALKS WE HAVE CAMPAIGNED FOR, THE ISSUE YOU HAVE RAISED IS PART OF OUR AGENDA

SIGNED NOEL McLEAN ACTING ASSISTANT SECRETARY

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. THE UNION SAYS IT HAS NOT ACCEPTED IT AND ROYAL MAIL SAYS IT STARTS ON THE 17TH. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION I HAVE!!!

AndyK · Post by **AndyK** » 15 Aug 2007, 16:55

I now heard that RM are to withdraw the 17th, as it is part of the talks. just waiting to be confirmed

AndyK · Post by **AndyK** » 15 Aug 2007, 17:00

It as been withdrawn any problems should be past upto area reps.

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EARLY STARTS 17 SEPTEMBER/Message from CWU

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