strange how RM have never asked any of us to appear in these videos, maybe our militant tendancies show a little too much when we're at work . . . . . . I'd love to appear in one but I've got a feeling my efforts would be edited outk66yla wrote:I went up to the canteen yesterday and the plasma was spouting its usual crap, 'posties' were talking about 'how great the late starts are' and how they would like the 6.30 starts to change to 7am so they can go out get plastered and have a lay in. What planet are they on?? Are they real posties or are they managers dressed up to look like the workforce? What a bunch of tossers!!
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billypants
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Big Daz
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The goverment have decided we are a commercial service providing a universal service, therefore they should fund the cost of the universal service or scrap it. No other commercial company would do this. How ever the regulator has scrapped the idea of zonal pricing for the time being.
The battle for keeping RM as a 100% public service is lost for the forseeable future, there will be no change from the current govermnet and the lib dems and conservatives will not make any substanial changes towards a 100% public service apart from for post office counters!
There needs to be substanial consultation with the public about the service they want.
It will be intresting to see how much of the CWU view is taken on board by postcomm when they complete their review into delivery and collection times
To look after firms in resedential/rural areas we need dedicated resdential firms deliveries going around delivering their mail.
The battle for keeping RM as a 100% public service is lost for the forseeable future, there will be no change from the current govermnet and the lib dems and conservatives will not make any substanial changes towards a 100% public service apart from for post office counters!
There needs to be substanial consultation with the public about the service they want.
It will be intresting to see how much of the CWU view is taken on board by postcomm when they complete their review into delivery and collection times
To look after firms in resedential/rural areas we need dedicated resdential firms deliveries going around delivering their mail.
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What that film probably doesn't show is the idiots who voted for the later starts, then began arriving an hour early and loading their cars up so as they can finish at the same time they used to do. Two of the people on that film have both got to Stage 3. I haven't seen it, but I can guess the bloke sprinting around his round is one of them. I'll bet it didn't mention that despite the move from 05.00 to 06.30 there has been no re-sign or that some of those who voted for it didn't realise the early allowance was only guaranteed for one year because their length of service doesn't entitle them to three years. The public aren't used to it, they are resigned to it which is a completely different thing. They didn't ask any of the season ticket holders of football clubs or anyone who enjoys spending time with their families and who object to walking around until well gone noon on Saturday afternoon what they thought of it. Hand in hand with the later starts has gone removing people from IPS on Saturdays to throw in deliveries to cover those who haven't turned in, which also delays getting out on delivery. With a six o'clock start on Saturdays, you're doing well to be out on delivery by 08.45. With the football season underway, I can see quite a few absentees on Saturday mornings.dave7634 wrote:Our office thinks just like this when they see those at (I think) Runcorn Delivery Office as featured on the plasma screens. "Its good coz you get to see the public!" Have you SEEN just how fast the guy walks on his round? I'm surprised he has time to actually focus on the public as he's walking that fast!k66yla wrote:I went up to the canteen yesterday and the plasma was spouting its usual crap, 'posties' were talking about 'how great the late starts are' and how they would like the 6.30 starts to change to 7am so they can go out get plastered and have a lay in. What planet are they on?? Are they real posties or are they managers dressed up to look like the workforce? What a bunch of tossers!!![]()
It must be awesome still walking around at 2pm in the height of the heat and no toilet stops/ drinking stops on your round unless you badger Joe Public for a drink/ tiddle etc and lets be honest, this isn't their job to supply and make RM ideas work.
Then you have the guy who says that he used to sit watching the telly and at around 9-10pm he used to be dozing but now, thanks to the later starts he has a social life! Doesn't it not occur to him that all he'll do is go to bed an hour later and still be dozing but at 10-11pm instead???
"When later starts were brought in the public complaints went through the roof but now they're used to it!" What choice do the public have apart from pay £7 approx and have it delivered earlier?? Are these people the same public who were sent questionnaires out from RM and then their reply was that they weren't bothered what time they got their mail???
Public service?? Forget it
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dave7634
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Its cuz the volume is down. We turned it up to hear what they said and then back down again... £2000 odd £ well spent if you ask me. Where's my plazma? What's our global footprint with these things running at god knows what wattage being left on all night in hundreds of locations up and down the country???jmlr1971 wrote:ive seen this trash too but in my office you cant hear them you can only read the subtitls so im clinging to the hope that theyre all saying how sh8tty it is starting at that time etc etc
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mailman71
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we fought to stop the business plan but i feel the later starts might be a different fight altogether whats becoming clear is that the goverment are'nt giving 2 hoots whether we strike or not.
why is it we seem to be the industrial testing ground for the goverments wage policy, keep the posties at 2.5% and all the other wage disputes will be settled the same.
our biggest problem is trying to explain to the goverment it just was'nt the wages it was all the conditions attached
why is it we seem to be the industrial testing ground for the goverments wage policy, keep the posties at 2.5% and all the other wage disputes will be settled the same.
our biggest problem is trying to explain to the goverment it just was'nt the wages it was all the conditions attached
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sol
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"The battle for keeping RM as a 100% public service is lost for the forseeable future"
That's probably right Big Daz. However, the CWU should learn something from the RMT. They were unable to stop rail privatisation - the Tories had made political strikes illegal, of course. But unlike the unions in the public utilities they maintained their independence from the privatised companies, and set their sights on a long term campaign for re-nationalisation.
In the public utilities the unions identified the interests of the members with the 'success' of the business. So they accepted the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
In contrast the RMT maintained its independence and its organisation.
If the CWU bases its policy on 'winning in the market' it won't resist job cuts not the worsening of the service.
That's probably right Big Daz. However, the CWU should learn something from the RMT. They were unable to stop rail privatisation - the Tories had made political strikes illegal, of course. But unlike the unions in the public utilities they maintained their independence from the privatised companies, and set their sights on a long term campaign for re-nationalisation.
In the public utilities the unions identified the interests of the members with the 'success' of the business. So they accepted the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
In contrast the RMT maintained its independence and its organisation.
If the CWU bases its policy on 'winning in the market' it won't resist job cuts not the worsening of the service.
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sol
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if anybody want's to have a look, here's one view of the way forward for the CWU
http://solidaritymagazine.wordpress.com ... r-the-cwu/
http://solidaritymagazine.wordpress.com ... r-the-cwu/
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norbet colon
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The bit about the RMT is interesting , firstly BR was split into sectors , then on the very apt April Fools Day 94 BR went into shadow privatization. The RMT had been weakened by Fragmentation after the 1989 six week strike so it's difficult to organize , ballot etc .Postcon want Delivery/Processing etc sectorised -out sourced etc , Postcon are only doing Brown's dirty work , this is also what the DTI (The ultimate employer) wanted with Stephen Byers ; that's why he got Leighton in with his Walmart Experience in Union Bashing . 2. Once Fragmentized it's easier to sell up , hopefully with a weakened Union also DIVIDE AND CONQUER. That strike was not necessarily a left wing union versus management's right to manage , RMT lost on the Machinery of Negotiation . The structure was LDC Local Departmental Committee then Sectional Council then Area/Region then at the top of the chain was the RMT NEC . What RM want for you lot is similar to Amicus/CMA or Unites "simplified " structure . The problem with BR was you'd ended up with a Staff Rep then Profit Centre - quell surprise there was less reps , RMT used to have a paid Area Organizer but it meant that the Area Organizer had a big patch here it was all of North Wales , keep Manchester & Liverpool "happy" , sod the rest of 'em in the North West . In the so called "Steam Age " structure , the Area Organizer was only involved in a Emergency , i.e. a guard had been caught fiddling , Tribunals etc . RMG want the CMA structure for the CWU , if you were in trouble there was a gap between a idiot of a staff rep and the Area Organizer which is exactly what BR wanted and RMG certainly want this . For the Track lads the Tories wanted maintenance & renewal separated which are one and the same thing obviously , they'd a problem a organized RMT membership , all these building firms are True Blue Tories to the bone and don't do Unions . After the 94 Signalman's strike which went on for 13?? weeks BR stopped the Payroll deductions out of spite. Previously for anyone to leave the union they'd to put a request in writing and those people would be slagged to hell at Branch Meetings . Now Members had to pay cash subs or arrange Direct Debits so naturally the RMT lost members by stealth as they could quietly disappear The next phase to deal with the RMT was use Test Cases at Tribunals , the best case was the Manchester Piccadilly four which was badly handled by both Mgt & the RMT , there was a militant far left influence and Mgt usually conceded on allowances but this time dismissal notices were delivered in Taxis. RMT won the case but Rusty Railways North West appealed so there's trench warfare as the RMT could only afford so many IT cases . Then things were imposed , "If you want to make an issue of it , look what happened in Manchester!". The whole idea was to knock the stuffing out of people and soften them up for privatization . In 96 BR went completely private and there was untold trench warfare between the Train Operating Companies and the RMT.Remember the trade union lads had no protection as you do now in Employment Law & Tribunals under the EEC Social Chapter that Major rejected , A rep is a scalp and a half for management . The Train Companies hated ASLEF but they're terrified of them now . As for the TSSA well!. there is a parallel as a lot of the RMT lads felt let down /sold down the river by the "Corrupt RMT Right wing old guard"under the late Jimmy Knapp hence a more militant leadership with Bob Crowe . With BR there wasn't that many strikes despite the steam age structure but with these bus people Train operating companies there certainly is more. I get a sense of deja vue about Billy Hayes as GS and not many trust him at all.Billys not quite doing a Johnson but it's close to.The problem was when the likes of B-Liar & Prescot were in opposition they were threatening to renationalise the Railways so the Tories had a Nazi General / Scorched Earth Policy to sell off the Railways as cheaply and quickly as possible to thier mates that's why it was so botched . there's no votes in it bar London & the South East so New Lie-bour in Power left the Railways alone just the usual fudging, dabbling and interference in previous Tory policies like with the NHS .I respect the RMT for leaving New Lie-bour , why do fry-ups for the bailiffs like "Red Billy " is doing now??.The other parallel with the RMT is the CWU being overcentralized like with the RMT at Unity house , also being out of touch and some who hark back to a relatively beneign age . Like with RM's Senior/Area Mgt we'd openly vindictive and hostile management for a reason.sol wrote:"The battle for keeping RM as a 100% public service is lost for the forseeable future"
That's probably right Big Daz. However, the CWU should learn something from the RMT. They were unable to stop rail privatization - the Tories had made political strikes illegal, of course. But unlike the unions in the public utilities they maintained their independence from the privatized companies, and set their sights on a long term campaign for re-nationalization.
In the public utilities the unions identified the interests of the members with the 'success' of the business. So they accepted the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
In contrast the RMT maintained its independence and its organization.
If the CWU bases its policy on 'winning in the market' it won't resist job cuts not the worsening of the service.
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dvbuk55
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This is a well written and accurate piece of journalism. The truth of which is frighteningly true. I was with the ESI until privatisation with another union but the amount of flexibility the union was promising in order to remain a negotiating power was obscene.sol wrote:if anybody wants to have a look, here's one view of the way forward for the CWU
http://solidaritymagazine.wordpress.com ... r-the-cwu/
I have met former colleagues who remained and to hear the tales of devastation after privatisation is enough to turn you grey. Once the union had accepted the basic premise of privatisation and the supposed need to be profit driven - there was little point in their raison detre because all change was "necessary to remain competitive and therefore viable" - subsequently had to be agreed.
How many times have these industries unions called for action since privatisation - I think that says it all.
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