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[dvbuk55]

The turkeys voted to nip across the road do 10 mins delivery work then carry onto their normal delivery duty. Harmless and viable and well within utlise ALL paid work hours. We are contracted to work X amount of hours a week and if there is genuine time spare then whats the problem?

If that's the case Daz...then the business has just wasted a great deal of money because that ain't a revision..
I applaud you and your members for getting Royal Mail to pay a BTA lump sum for the introduction of P&M2007...4 years after the fact.
Your manager,however...is a complete idiot.

Pity we didn't ALL have managers like that.......instead of the revisions we've had we could be implementing 2007. I know that there are local agreements, but when a NATIONAL ballot is taken on an agreement and ratified..................then that is what should be applied NATIONALLY.

[Big Daz]

So should we have gone for replotting of delivery routes based on two less delivery routes, tried that and the mbrs had a complete hissy fit. That would not have generated any more or less savings? My manager is not a idiot as clearance for a reduction in savings so as not to have to take out a rural duty came from the regional manager who sits 3 levels up from my DOM. Now lets be clear from a RML perspective as the revison is self starter, its a start and certainly not the be all and all of change (including savings) to come in the delivery office, they are simply biding their time and will swoop down like a bird of prey to cut the D.O hours with their talons. Putting a hold on 40 hours of savings for RML seems to be a price worth paying in order to get a revision implemented by agreement rather than imposition. Personally I think delaying the inevitable on the rural deliveries is madness, but hey Im just a rep and have to accept the will of the mbrs.

[dvbuk55]

So should we have gone for replotting of delivery routes based on two less delivery routes, tried that and the mbrs had a complete hissy fit. That would not have generated any more or less savings? My manager is not a idiot as clearance for a reduction in savings so as not to have to take out a rural duty came from the regional manager who sits 3 levels up from my DOM. Now lets be clear from a RML perspective as the revison is self starter, its a start and certainly not the be all and all of change (including savings) to come in the delivery office, they are simply biding their time and will swoop down like a bird of prey to cut the D.O hours with their talons. Putting a hold on 40 hours of savings for RML seems to be a price worth paying in order to get a revision implemented by agreement rather than imposition. Personally I think delaying the inevitable on the rural deliveries is madness, but hey Im just a rep and have to accept the will of the mbrs.

Well whatever you can get away with seems to be the order of the day BUT should it trigger the £200 payment for what is NOT a true revision despite the spin.

[Big Daz]

Yes, because thats we have been told would happen self starter/tabletop revision would trigger the £200 payment. Your question should be should BT2010 be more specfic as to what a non sequnced mail revision entails?

Some D.O's will no doubt have had sequenced mail delivery methods in one hit as their first revsion, so whats left for them do with the non sequenced mail revision and get the £200 that goes with it? Prtety much whats happened with table tops I imagine a bit of tinkering with the duty set and hey presto.

[dvbuk55]

Yes, because thats we have been told would happen self starter/tabletop revision would trigger the £200 payment. Your question should be should BT2010 be more specfic as to what a non sequnced mail revision entails?

Some D.O's will no doubt have had sequenced mail delivery methods in one hit as their first revsion, so whats left for them do with the non sequenced mail revision and get the £200 that goes with it? Prtety much whats happened with table tops I imagine a bit of tinkering with the duty set and hey presto.

The sequenced mail revision is surrounded by the use of the CSS machines and is going to have a limited impact on deliveries, the Delivery Methods revision which incorporates HCTs and Park and Loop is THE revision for deliveries......................now my question to you is having the WSM revision triggering the £800 and having received your £200 for a non-revision, what will your members expect for the inevitable D&M revision................which IS going to make their eyes water for FA.

[Big Daz]

dvbuk55

I doubt very much that the senior CWU bods would have agreed to tabletop/self starters if attendance patterns and the £200 had not been offered up by RML.

I want to get to the bottom of is delivery planners or the lack of as this RML reasoning but it dosent wash with you. That needs exploring some more.

[Big Daz]

Well, they are pretty much like this forum not really convinced by DM. That said if I am the rep at the time I will make clear to them what they are voting on and what they are not voting on, just as I have done with M3 on Saturdays and Saturday a normal working day. Kick it out because the rounds are two big fine but kick it out simply because they dont like DM is of no use to man or beast.

[dvbuk55]

Well, they are pretty much like this forum not really convinced by DM. That said if I am the rep at the time I will make clear to them what they are voting on and what they are not voting on, just as I have done with M3 on Saturdays and Saturday a normal working day. Kick it out because the rounds are two big fine but kick it out simply because they dont like DM is of no use to man or beast.

We already have D&M and I am not convinced by it. There are some good elements BUT as per usual the lily has been over gilded. HCTs are a mixed blessing and have been used inappropriately IMO, but within the parameters set, LCTs are a complete waste of time but have to be used within the confines of the agreement.

[ozzieblade]

Yes, because thats we have been told would happen self starter/tabletop revision would trigger the £200 payment. Your question should be should BT2010 be more specfic as to what a non sequnced mail revision entails?

Some D.O's will no doubt have had sequenced mail delivery methods in one hit as their first revsion, so whats left for them do with the non sequenced mail revision and get the £200 that goes with it? Prtety much whats happened with table tops I imagine a bit of tinkering with the duty set and hey presto.

The sequenced mail revision is surrounded by the use of the CSS machines and is going to have a limited impact on deliveries, the Delivery Methods revision which incorporates HCTs and Park and Loop is THE revision for deliveries......................now my question to you is having the WSM revision triggering the £800 and having received your £200 for a non-revision, what will your members expect for the inevitable D&M revision................which IS going to make their eyes water for FA.

We have just been told that our revision will only get us £800 not £1000 as originally agreed. We never did get our £200 when our parent office. Grimsby went live with walk sequencing last year. Is this right? or are we getting shafted again

[POSTMAN]

Yes, because thats we have been told would happen self starter/tabletop revision would trigger the £200 payment. Your question should be should BT2010 be more specfic as to what a non sequnced mail revision entails?

Some D.O's will no doubt have had sequenced mail delivery methods in one hit as their first revsion, so whats left for them do with the non sequenced mail revision and get the £200 that goes with it? Prtety much whats happened with table tops I imagine a bit of tinkering with the duty set and hey presto.

The sequenced mail revision is surrounded by the use of the CSS machines and is going to have a limited impact on deliveries, the Delivery Methods revision which incorporates HCTs and Park and Loop is THE revision for deliveries......................now my question to you is having the WSM revision triggering the £800 and having received your £200 for a non-revision, what will your members expect for the inevitable D&M revision................which IS going to make their eyes water for FA.

We have just been told that our revision will only get us £800 not £1000 as originally agreed. We never did get our £200 when our parent office. Grimsby went live with walk sequencing last year. Is this right? or are we getting shafted again

You WILL get the £1K,what have you had done already?

Annex C
Transformation Lump Sum Payments and Shorter Working Week
Delivery
Applicable to all Delivery Units including SPDO’s.
Lump Sums
The payment of £1,000 (pro rata for part time employees) consisting of 3 lump sums will be paid as follows.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period.
SPDOs
All SPDOs will receive the £600 and £200 payments in line with their parent delivery unit.
Shorter Working Week
To be implemented in all Delivery Units in line with the Walk Sequencing revision.

[ozzieblade]

We have had walk sequencing since before xmas, not sure exactly when. We have been told its only £800 pro rata not £1000 as its a desktop revision and no van changes will come into force. Never had a payment for when walk sequencing began. Used to Royal Mail changing the goalposts when it suits. No union rep to speak of. We agreed to the £1000 not £800

Been told although the agreement was 75% FT 25% PT workforce, that is national, our office will remain more PT than FT (approx 25/75). Never enough hours to do job, we all claim overtime as we are nearly all on Part time contracts. We want FT contracts but dont get them.

[dvbuk55]

We have had walk sequencing since before xmas, not sure exactly when. We have been told its only £800 pro rata not £1000 as its a desktop revision and no van changes will come into force. Never had a payment for when walk sequencing began. Used to Royal Mail changing the goalposts when it suits. No union rep to speak of. We agreed to the £1000 not £800

Been told although the agreement was 75% FT 25% PT workforce, that is national, our office will remain more PT than FT (approx 25/75). Never enough hours to do job, we all claim overtime as we are nearly all on Part time contracts. We want FT contracts but dont get them.

Ah yes, a national figure, which helps none but London, where it is 95/5

[POSTMAN]

We have had walk sequencing since before xmas, not sure exactly when. We have been told its only £800 pro rata not £1000 as its a desktop revision and no van changes will come into force. Never had a payment for when walk sequencing began. Used to Royal Mail changing the goalposts when it suits. No union rep to speak of. We agreed to the £1000 not £800

Been told although the agreement was 75% FT 25% PT workforce, that is national, our office will remain more PT than FT (approx 25/75). Never enough hours to do job, we all claim overtime as we are nearly all on Part time contracts. We want FT contracts but dont get them.

You should get £200 for the desktop revisiopn.
You should then later on get £600 for a walk sequence revision not for just having walk sequence mail in the office.
You should then get the final £200 within 6 weeks of having the walk sequence revision.

You need to get your area rep on board asap as you are being done over.

[POSTMAN]

Ah yes, a national figure, which helps none but London, where it is 95/5

Changing every time the IWT runs down here.

[dvbuk55]

Ah yes, a national figure, which helps none but London, where it is 95/5

Changing every time the IWT runs down here.

I was wondering about that postman, TBH, nobody seems to be keeping a score on the current position with regard to the ratio. Ours has probably risen slightly to 51/49 ft/pt as opposed to 60/40 ft/pt. Like all things with this agreement though it seems to depend on what the flavour of the moment is. I am sure someone who is aware of the "big picture" and "in the know" will have some idea but it appears that no news is bad news with regard to many things.