24 hour perm,,30 hour renewable,,,

[POSTMAN]

So in them situations d2d's will be at the bottom of the priority list and would fail

God help all that new business then!
Not a dig at you skull,a dig at managment.Funny as f**k.

[skull]

So in them situations d2d's will be at the bottom of the priority list and would fail

God help all that new business then!
Not a dig at you skull,a dig at managment.Funny as f**k.

Hopefully things should improve job vacancies were recently advertised for our office on the RM website ( sadly only 24 hr contracts ). Regarding revision RM management have tried to wing it and it's back fired big style . With recruitment I hope this is a sign that they are starting to wake up . At the moment it's just some of the d2d's that are failing which is a big improvement because over the xmas period and up to the end of the first week in January the office was a total disaster . Recently two duties lost in revision have made a reappearence so a bit of good news , for our office at least .

[Himaggen]

Genuine reasons to me would be posties being put on the duty who have never done it before , who don't want to or can't work overtime and if they are not 100% due to illness . So in them situations d2d's will be at the bottom of the priority list and would fail . In these circumstances it's up to the managers to get it sorted but they haven't got the manpower .

Rubbish!

It makes no difference if they've never seen the frame or duty before, they perform the indoor part of the workload, and cut off the outdoor portion if they wish to work to their time.

Lets say your unknown frame had 600 delivery points requiring D2D, this would mean that the new postie would need to prep 100 of them. Lets say there were three items that week, using the RM supplied figures, that's 8 Items per minute i.e. between 12 and 13 minutes. Therefore which is preferable? around a quarter of an hour extra work indoors, or more time outside in the winter weather on a duty they're unfamiliar with?

[skull]

Genuine reasons to me would be posties being put on the duty who have never done it before , who don't want to or can't work overtime and if they are not 100% due to illness . So in them situations d2d's will be at the bottom of the priority list and would fail . In these circumstances it's up to the managers to get it sorted but they haven't got the manpower .

Rubbish!

It makes no difference if they've never seen the frame or duty before, they perform the indoor part of the workload, and cut off the outdoor portion if they wish to work to their time.

Lets say your unknown frame had 600 delivery points requiring D2D, this would mean that the new postie would need to prep 100 of them. Lets say there were three items that week, using the RM supplied figures, that's 8 Items per minute i.e. between 12 and 13 minutes. Therefore which is preferable? around a quarter of an hour extra work indoors, or more time outside in the winter weather on a duty they're unfamiliar with?

There might be managers out there who would prefer a postie to prep d2d's instead of using that prep time to deliver mail but they are certainly not at our office . Just forget about 12-13 minutes it takes as long as it takes . If I fell into one of the above reasons for not doing the d2d's and a manager came to me and insisted I prep the d2d's rather than getting out and delivering mail I just presume he was another idiot manager amongst many . I maybe wrong but packets and letters and not d2d's are more important to RM .
So over xmas when our office fell apart because of low manning levels and a botched up revision you being incharge would of insisted that d2d preping take priority . I hope not because that means RM management could get even worse .

[fishtank]

If I fell into one of the above reasons for not doing the d2d's and a manager came to me and insisted I prep the d2d's rather than getting out and delivering mail I just presume he was another idiot manager amongst many . I maybe wrong but packets and letters and not d2d's are more important to RM .

Your manager wouldn't be the idiot....
If you prep the D2D and cut off what happens to the mail and packets you don't deliver?
Do they get thrown back into a box to be forgotten and eventually fail forcing Royal Mail to have to refund the sender what they paid them plus the printing and publishing costs?

[skull]

If I fell into one of the above reasons for not doing the d2d's and a manager came to me and insisted I prep the d2d's rather than getting out and delivering mail I just presume he was another idiot manager amongst many . I maybe wrong but packets and letters and not d2d's are more important to RM .

Your manager wouldn't be the idiot....
If you prep the D2D and cut off what happens to the mail and packets you don't deliver?
Do they get thrown back into a box to be forgotten and eventually fail forcing Royal Mail to have to refund the sender what they paid them plus the printing and publishing costs?

All the news reports about RM's failings have been from customers not receiving their packets and letters , I haven't seen any reports about businesses not getting their d2d's delivered . One day when mail volumes have dropped ( i won't hold my breath ) d2d's will be more important than letters and packets . At this moment in time With offices falling apart due to poor revision and low manning levels I can't believe anyone would prioritise d2d's .

[Himaggen]

By delivering the D2D and cutting off, you are ensuring that the Management put in the necessary resources to get all the mail delivered. They cannot leave packets etc. undelivered, and it would be a whole lot more difficult to dump them all at a tip / recycle plant or even burn them as is commonplace with the D2D. (sending back undelivered D2D has both immediate cost implications and damages our future revenue streams). If or whenever you can throw in the D2D first, then your flats / mailsort, empty your packet sack(s) and leave your walk-sorted / sequenced mail until last. The Manager will find it a whole lot harder to kick you out for delivery with bundles of those still on your workstation.

[POSTMAN]

It's not hard,the rep needs to get involved and also the ADR and higher up if needed.
Offices need to start keeping diaries of all the s**t going on.
The service is in a mess because of cost cutting.

If you get senior managers involved they will have to do something.

[skull]

By delivering the D2D and cutting off, you are ensuring that the Management put in the necessary resources to get all the mail delivered. They cannot leave packets etc. undelivered, and it would be a whole lot more difficult to dump them all at a tip / recycle plant or even burn them as is commonplace with the D2D. (sending back undelivered D2D has both immediate cost implications and damages our future revenue streams). If or whenever you can throw in the D2D first, then your flats / mailsort, empty your packet sack(s) and leave your walk-sorted / sequenced mail until last. The Manager will find it a whole lot harder to kick you out for delivery with bundles of those still on your workstation.

I don't know if the d2d's have been desroyed or sent back and recorded as failed . I would like to think the latter and the recent recruitment for posties at our office and two duties which we lost in revision making a come back would point in that direction .

I hope you don't think I was justifying managers turning a blind eye or covering up d2d not being done , I was justifying posties being put in crappy situations where the first things that fails are d2d . I know d2d are important to RM and the importance will increase as time goes by , but most posties still see d2d as junk mail and at the bottom of the prioraty list . One day I might hear a manager say " d2d must be done at all costs " but at the moment it's " if you haven't got time leave the d2d . So the message of how important d2d are to the business hasn't even reached our managers never mind us posties .

It just shows how poor RM management is when I have to read this forum and learn how important d2d are .

.

[fishtank]

if you haven't got time leave the d2d

Unless a manager puts that instruction in writing,i personally would ignore it and let them conduct me for "refusing a reasonable request".
Then this manager would be in a s**t load of trouble.
I don't need a message to reach me from anywhere and neither does the manager....I know my job and i know how to keep my job....it doesn't sound like he/she knows how to keep theirs.

[skull]

if you haven't got time leave the d2d

Unless a manager puts that instruction in writing,i personally would ignore it and let them conduct me for "refusing a reasonable request".
Then this manager would be in a s**t load of trouble.
I don't need a message to reach me from anywhere and neither does the manager....I know my job and i know how to keep my job....it doesn't sound like he/she knows how to keep theirs.

Your knowledge of all things RM is a dam sight greater than mine . I only started reading these forums about three months ago but what I have learnt as made my working within RM a lot less stressfull . I've been with RM for four years so the first three years nine months I was given our managers bull sh*t which I believed as gospel . Our managers still convince most posties that they don't have to use the leight weight trolleys . Now I've started thinking about how unbothered they seem by the d2d not being done and am questioning to myself wether they do dispose of the d2d that haven't been delivered ..

[Dorset Plodder]

Back tracking to the original post (not nagging honest!) just thought I'd throw a new duty structure into the pot. Have heard on the grapevine that we might be having a few Part-Time walks within the office that will remain Delivery Only.
They're looking at a 13 Hour Contract! That'll be 3 days at 4 hour a day plus your 20 mins MR!
Bet they're going to have people queuing around the block for those jobs!
Those Danish Housewives have got a lot to answer for.

[skull]

BensonHedge wrote : i can imagine 24hr contracts will be phased out.park and loop just dont work on a 24hr contract

Skull wrote ;Regarding P&L 24 hr contracts are working at our office . They are working 3 x 8 hrs days . One week they work mon, tues and wed the next week they work thurs , fri and sat . When they are on their days off the duties are covered by more 24 hr contract posties . They work 6 days on then have 6 days off with a Sunday in-between , a good little number .[/quote]

TrueBlueTerrier wrote :Ohhh that is sneaky - basically you get 1 full time worker out of 2 part timers with the attendant savings on holidays, sick etc, and as a double bonus you have 2 people probably willing to come in on days off to earn extra money - sneaky.




We've been told this week that our 24hr posties will almost certainly be moving from a 3 day week to a 4 day week . With the 1 in 4 Saturdays off agreement there's no way the planner can accomodate 24 hr contract staff working 3 days a week and having every other Saturday off . Management wanted them back on a 5 day week but with the unions help it looks like a compromise as been reached .

[skull]

Genuine reasons to me would be posties being put on the duty who have never done it before , who don't want to or can't work overtime and if they are not 100% due to illness . So in them situations d2d's will be at the bottom of the priority list and would fail . In these circumstances it's up to the managers to get it sorted but they haven't got the manpower .

[ quote="Himaggen ]Rubbish!

It makes no difference if they've never seen the frame or duty before, they perform the indoor part of the workload, and cut off the outdoor portion if they wish to work to their time.



Yes discipline is being returned to our office after three months of a free for all . We were told in our WTL that our office's performance was that bad in the three months since revision ( version 1 ) was introduced that it as gone up to head office of the LA postcode area to be investigated .Posties who have moved from another office to ours always say "it's the worst run I've ever worked in " . Believe me , the managers arses are twitching now and thay have started doing the job they are paid to do , manage .





by POSTMAN » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:47 pm

It's not hard,the rep needs to get involved and also the ADR and higher up if needed.
Offices need to start keeping diaries of all the s**t going on.
The service is in a mess because of cost cutting.

If you get senior managers involved they will have to do something.



Our rep has been involved by taking notes and passing them up the line . It's taken three months of a total disaster to finally get a bit of progress in the right direction . The wheels are in motion now and there are to many people onboard who want to see the office run right , I'm optomistic that in a couple of months things are going to be ok .