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maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by Stormproof »

DGP1 wrote:I think you call them Scooters :wink:


That's just for my friend stormproof
They are mopeds DGP, we had this conversation the other day, below 49cc is a moped. Have you told everyone about your encounter with a RM Moped :left: :left:
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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Jynxx wrote:
DemonPostie wrote:Holy s**t, I want one of those so badly I've actually pissed myself. Do you know what kind of bike it is?


I think it's a BSA Bantam or a BSA B33....there's a red one on this link :wink:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_kepcove/2367808900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and a green one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avaskeg/4119785829/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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Jynxx wrote:
Jynxx wrote:
DemonPostie wrote:Holy s**t, I want one of those so badly I've actually pissed myself. Do you know what kind of bike it is?


I think it's a BSA Bantam or a BSA B33....there's a red one on this link :wink:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_kepcove/2367808900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and a green one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avaskeg/4119785829/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nice find! Its the B33 for sure!
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by stokes11eg »

Can nobody else remember about 5 years ago, they were trialing some 3 wheeled motor cycles?
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by glenfiddich »

p&l works we saw the dvd in work time learning :cuppa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNi3Et_3 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by DGP1 »

Stormproof wrote:
DGP1 wrote:I think you call them Scooters :wink:


That's just for my friend stormproof
They are mopeds DGP, we had this conversation the other day, below 49cc is a moped. Have you told everyone about your encounter with a RM Moped :left: :left:
I keep forgetting which one is which :nervous

And that is our little secret :shhhhh :wink:
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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dvbuk55 wrote:
krussel wrote:We had a Moped duty years ago it was a nightmare as they used to load 3 bags on the smegger :shock: . Ive seen quad bikes in Spain and a enclosed golf cart thing in Florida which looked quite cool :nana
If you can afford to go to all those foreign places you are being paid too much :whistle
ssssssshhhhh :nervous

I saw mopeds in Greece but good old bikes in Jersey :Very Happy .


There was a quad bike on a RM dvd once i think he was going out to a farm :hmmmm
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by dvbuk55 »

DGP1 wrote:
Stormproof wrote:
DGP1 wrote:I think you call them Scooters :wink:


That's just for my friend stormproof
They are mopeds DGP, we had this conversation the other day, below 49cc is a moped. Have you told everyone about your encounter with a RM Moped :left: :left:
I keep forgetting which one is which :nervous

And that is our little secret :shhhhh :wink:
Just how perverted can you get.............is nothing safe from DGPs amorous advances :shock:
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by brothermagrew »

Highly entertaining and amusing but with regards to the original question about mopeds:

Found in CWU Safe working on delivery guide - Page 7

Private Motorcycles, Mopeds, and Scooters, etc
These are banned from use in Royal Mail and must not be used. Many are unsuitable for
deliveries and are dangerous, especially when carrying a load in bad weather. In the event
of an accident if using an unofficial means of transport you could be held liable and face
serious consequences such as prosecution and disciplinary action.

It's a NO NO.
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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brothermagrew wrote:Highly entertaining and amusing but with regards to the original question about mopeds:

Found in CWU Safe working on delivery guide - Page 7

Private Motorcycles, Mopeds, and Scooters, etc
These are banned from use in Royal Mail and must not be used. Many are unsuitable for
deliveries and are dangerous, especially when carrying a load in bad weather. In the event
of an accident if using an unofficial means of transport you could be held liable and face
serious consequences such as prosecution and disciplinary action.

It's a NO NO.
I do believe that this resulted from a young man being killed using his own moped.
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

Post by DGP1 »

dvbuk55 wrote:
brothermagrew wrote:Highly entertaining and amusing but with regards to the original question about mopeds:

Found in CWU Safe working on delivery guide - Page 7

Private Motorcycles, Mopeds, and Scooters, etc
These are banned from use in Royal Mail and must not be used. Many are unsuitable for
deliveries and are dangerous, especially when carrying a load in bad weather. In the event
of an accident if using an unofficial means of transport you could be held liable and face
serious consequences such as prosecution and disciplinary action.

It's a NO NO.
I do believe that this resulted from a young man being killed using his own moped.
I know we got ours removed a few years ago but they spent as much time in the garage as they did in the office so it was no great loss (and a van was used to replace them).

And I wish they'd be as serious with the use of private cars. :hmmmm
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Re: maybe we should have mopeds instead of park and loop

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dvbuk55 wrote:
brothermagrew wrote:Highly entertaining and amusing but with regards to the original question about mopeds:

Found in CWU Safe working on delivery guide - Page 7

Private Motorcycles, Mopeds, and Scooters, etc
These are banned from use in Royal Mail and must not be used. Many are unsuitable for
deliveries and are dangerous, especially when carrying a load in bad weather. In the event
of an accident if using an unofficial means of transport you could be held liable and face
serious consequences such as prosecution and disciplinary action.

It's a NO NO.
I do believe that this resulted from a young man being killed using his own moped.

Yes indeed brother dvbuk55

Background

The Royal Mail pleaded guilty to three offences arising from the death of a 16 year old Stroud delivery office postal worker. He died after being knocked off his motorbike just seconds into his early morning round. Although the prosecution agreed that the death was the responsibility of the driver of the car which knocked him off his motorbike, they argued that he would never have been riding it in that place or at that time if health and safety procedures had been followed. "The accident showed up specific shortcomings in procedure. It was symptomatic of the general failure to devise and maintain safety checking systems".

Although no-one had given the young person express permission to ride the motorbike at work, its use was condoned by management. "It was plain as a pikestaff. He walked around with a crash helmet and if it was obvious to everyone else, how could management not be aware of it?"

Apparently the motorbike did not have an adequate rack or mail pouches and a safe system of work drafted by Royal Mail in 1988 had not been implemented. Additionally, there was no written policy in force governing the use of private vehicles and no formal regulation of their use was made by management even though it was aware of the practice. In fact the police brought the incident to the attention of Stroud District Council's environmental health department, who took the prosecution, after being told by a Royal Mail manager that "it turned a blind eye to the use of private vehicles for work". According to John Pullin, environmental services manager, "if it had not been for the police officer taking it on his own initiative to contact us we would have been none the wiser".

Following the fatality the environmental health department expected Royal Mail management to take steps to rectify the situation. When it failed to do so, they served an improvement notice requiring the introduction of a safe system of work for the use of private vehicles. Royal Mail was required to carry out risk assessments on the use of private vehicles at work and to maintain lists of authorised vehicles and their registration numbers. This forced Royal Mail to address the problem in the 350 delivery sorting offices in the South West. When it became apparent that improvements would be limited to that region, the environmental health department decided to prosecute in order to send a clear message elsewhere.

Court Decision

The following information is taken from the memorandum of a conviction or other proceedings entered in the Register of the Magistrates' Court, South Glos. Magistrates' Court, No 2 Court sitting on 25th March 1997 at 2pm.

o Between the 1st June 1995 and the 31st

December 1995 being an employer, did

contravene Section 2(1) and 2(2)(a) of

the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act

1974, in that you failed to operate a

safe system of work in the Royal Mail Stroud

delivery office in that there was no

proper system operating for authorising or

permitting the use of private motor

vehicles by your employees in the course

of the discharge of their duties thus

ensuring that any vehicle that was so used

was roadworthy, that the driver was a

competent person who was qualified to

drive and that the said vehicle was insured

for the purpose of delivering the mail,

whereby you are guilty of an offence as

provided by Section 33(1)(a) of the Health

and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974 and liable

to a penalty as provided by Section 33 (1)(a)

of the said Act as amended.

Fined £7,000 and £14514.23 costs.

o Between the 1st June 1995 and the 31st December

1995, being an employer, did contravene Section

2(1) and 2(2)(b) of the Health and Safety at

Work Etc Act 1974, in that you failed to ensure

that the arrangements for transporting the mail

were safe and without risk to health in that

you permitted the mail to be carried in unregulated

and unauthorised private vehicles in relation

to which there were no checks in respect of

their roadworthiness or to ensure that the

driver of the same was a competent person or

that the said vehicle was insured whereby you

are guilty of an offence as provided by Section

33(1)(a) of the Health and Safety at Work

Etc Act 1974 and liable to a penalty as provided

by Section 33(1)(a) of the said Act as amended.

Fined £7,000.

o Between the 1st January 1993 and the 31st

December 1995, being an employer, did contravene

Regulation 4(1)(b)(i) of the Manual Handling

Operations Regulations 1992 in that you failed

to make a suitable and sufficient assessment

of the manual handling risks involved in the

loading and unloading of private vehicles with

the mail, whereby you are guilty of an offence

as provided by Section 33(1)(c) of the Health

and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974 and liable to

a penalty as provided by Section 33(3) of the

said Act as amended.

Fined £1,300.

Royal Mail pleaded guilty to all three charges. The following two additional charges being withdrawn:

o Failure to instruct, train or supervise

employees in any or any safety policy

as regards the use of private vehicles

during the course of delivering the

mail in contravention of Section 2(1)

and 2(2)(c) of the Health and Safety

at Work Act.

o Failure to carry out a suitable and

sufficient risk assessment of the risks

to the health and safety of employees

undertaking to make deliveries of mail

using private vehicles and the suitability

of each vehicle for carrying loads in

contravention of Regulation 3 of the

Management of Health and Safety at Work

Regulations.
"Today’s workplace has become heartless and soulless. Employees are seen as units of labour, automatons, functionaries, objects for achieving designated tasks, and as costs to be minimised."