patio1 wrote:POSTMAN!!!! i here you say 3.30 national agreement for delivering outside is this true? cos we just been told that our revision is going through and some deliveries are 6 hours plus long . please please please clarify this as we have no union rep at the moment and the managers are tightening the screws big time on us .
3:30 is pre 2010 revision and that is it (unless you had a local agreement for longer re: 4 day weeks) and the norm for an 8hr day.
2010 revisions are different and am now waiting on Fishtanks reply to my above post on that.
And why would you agree to 6 hr walks??
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well we already have rounds that take 5hrs to deliver pre revision. Post revision geo route has kicked up 5hr plus deliveries and totally unachievable targets. Now we've triede to out our rep. Area rep is behind him and says we can't change him. This is a total joke as i hope he doesn't sign off on it.
POSTMAN wrote:Eric don't forget,you only do your agreed amount of outdoor work regardless of what time you go out.
IE:The national agreement is 3:30hrs so you do no more,if you have had a revision and it's 4hrs ect then you only do that.
That's not the case POSTMAN.
After you have your delivery methods revision you don't have a MAXIMUM delivery span unless you're stuck with a bag(tenements).
Your span like the IWT is a planning value giving you an OPTIMUM delivery span.
So if you have 2.30hrs indoor..30mins travelling...40mins meal relief and 10 mins at the end you have a 4.10mins OPTIMUM delivery span on an 8hr day.
...but if any of those values change like your indoor drops to 2hrs your OPTIMUM delivery span increases accordingly.
Ok,i understand that you have had your revision and you are going through the motions.
Are you saying that your del span will change on a day to day basis?
And where would the extra work come from on the light days?
The impression i'm getting on here is that peeps are agreeing to say 4hr del spans (after the revision process has thrown that up)and that's it.
No..your delivery span shouldn't change on a day to day basis if everything is running to plan but when operational needs require...then you can't turn around and say i've done my 4 hrs...i'm not doing any more.
If for instance,say it's Christmas they know that it's going to take you more than 4 hrs to deliver it so they chuck in extra nightshifts and extra resources to kill your IPS and as a result you're ready to go at 0930 instead of 1000...then your optimum span is 4.30hrs not 4hrs...it's not 4hrs and finish half an hour early.
Offices are agreeing to 4 hr or whatever spans because when you throw in the figures from a model week that's what it has thrown out but it's not a maximum it's just what the revision is BASED on just in the same way that the revision may be based on 3hrs INDOOR and that might change.
If your INDOOR work decreases for whatever reason...your OUTDOOR work must increase.
That's kind of the whole basis for BT2010 "protecting full-time jobs" blah blah blah.
When you say 6 hour deliveries, is that rural in a van or town walk?, no way on this planet am I walking around for 6 hours, that is taking the piss. 4hours max I would say and that is pushing it physically.
POSTMAN wrote:Eric don't forget,you only do your agreed amount of outdoor work regardless of what time you go out.
IE:The national agreement is 3:30hrs so you do no more,if you have had a revision and it's 4hrs ect then you only do that.
That's not the case POSTMAN.
After you have your delivery methods revision you don't have a MAXIMUM delivery span unless you're stuck with a bag(tenements).
Your span like the IWT is a planning value giving you an OPTIMUM delivery span.
So if you have 2.30hrs indoor..30mins travelling...40mins meal relief and 10 mins at the end you have a 4.10mins OPTIMUM delivery span on an 8hr day.
...but if any of those values change like your indoor drops to 2hrs your OPTIMUM delivery span increases accordingly.
Ok,i understand that you have had your revision and you are going through the motions.
Are you saying that your del span will change on a day to day basis?
And where would the extra work come from on the light days?
The impression i'm getting on here is that peeps are agreeing to say 4hr del spans (after the revision process has thrown that up)and that's it.
No..your delivery span shouldn't change on a day to day basis if everything is running to plan but when operational needs require...then you can't turn around and say i've done my 4 hrs...i'm not doing any more.
If for instance,say it's Christmas they know that it's going to take you more than 4 hrs to deliver it so they chuck in extra nightshifts and extra resources to kill your IPS and as a result you're ready to go at 0930 instead of 1000...then your optimum span is 4.30hrs not 4hrs...it's not 4hrs and finish half an hour early.
Offices are agreeing to 4 hr or whatever spans because when you throw in the figures from a model week that's what it has thrown out but it's not a maximum it's just what the revision is BASED on just in the same way that the revision may be based on 3hrs INDOOR and that might change.
If your INDOOR work decreases for whatever reason...your OUTDOOR work must increase.
That's kind of the whole basis for BT2010 "protecting full-time jobs" blah blah blah.
Thanks Fish,my revision's next year will have to seriously look into this.
I'm not a happy bunny.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
POSTMAN wrote:
Thanks Fish,my revision's next year will have to seriously look into this.
I'm not a happy bunny.
Mind i'm not saying 6hr deliveries should be on the cards...we would make sure that didn't happen one way or the other.
...just some reasonable flexibility in the span.
what is the longest you can work with out a break because in the end that the most your delivery can be other wise you would have to cut off come back and then go out again
enzio wrote:what is the longest you can work with out a break because in the end that the most your delivery can be other wise you would have to cut off come back and then go out again
The longest you could work without a break would be 6 hrs but that would mean having a break then 15mins travelling then 5hrs 30mins delivery then 15 travelling back.
...but then we open the "having a break out on delivery"...can of worms.
