Revisions:Why did it get a yes vote?

[Big Daz]

Voting on plan C in my D.O ends Wednesday. A prediction is difficult, but if yes votes from plan A stay as yes votes and around a third of the no voters switch to yes then it will be voted in. The main issue of whats the point of this revision when another is due potentially be the end of next year has been addressed by placing absorbtion on a permenant footing rather than replotting of delivery walks thus reducing the impact of the revision. Mbrs could not grasp that BT210 means two revisons wether they like it or not.

[dvbuk55]

Voting on plan C in my D.O ends Wednesday. A prediction is difficult, but if yes votes from plan A stay as yes votes and around a third of the no voters switch to yes then it will be voted in. The main issue of whats the point of this revision when another is due potentially be the end of next year has been addressed by placing absorbtion on a permenant footing rather than replotting of delivery walks thus reducing the impact of the revision. Mbrs could not grasp that BT210 means two revisons wether they like it or not.

Thus reducing the impact of what revision?, you aren't having a revision. What you are doing is juggling the hours around for no justification in benefiting the office at all.............except maybe the odd couple of people. However if you have a Plan A, B and C you could do with being made a full time union official because they don't have Plan Bs let alone Plan Cs

[Big Daz]

The big issue is that change should be minimal as in little over a year we will be having major full scale revision activty. A lot of mbrs really dont see the point of this revision due to whats due in early 2012.

The DOM has a proposal and Im going to ask the mbrs to instruct me via a democratic ballot if my response to the DOM is to be yes or a no.

Not just your members who see no point in a revision now and really 2012? that's a lifetime away in present circumstances. Why not wait until a planner becomes available and do the delivery methods revision - it can't be that far away certainly in 2011 and certainly would stand you in good stead for the later WSM.

dvbuk55

The smaller the gap between revisions the more unhappy the mbrs become. They are still struggling to accept that BT2010 requires two revisions which means two sets of change and 2 resigns etc, but to make the gap between them around 6 months is

As Im sure you recall the powers that be decided on self starter revisons when it became apparent that planners were not available. As there is no planner there is no delivery methods which then rolls over to WSQM revision unless RML decide they cant wait. Reality is BT210 does not specify which revision Delivey methods is to be done with so TOTAL freedom to choose at divisional and/or area level.


The bigger offices in the branch/RM postcode area are having delivery methods, the medium and small ones are waiting a little longer for it and the smaller ones may well be gone and closed by early 2012.

[Big Daz]

Voting on plan C in my D.O ends Wednesday. A prediction is difficult, but if yes votes from plan A stay as yes votes and around a third of the no voters switch to yes then it will be voted in. The main issue of whats the point of this revision when another is due potentially be the end of next year has been addressed by placing absorbtion on a permenant footing rather than replotting of delivery walks thus reducing the impact of the revision. Mbrs could not grasp that BT210 means two revisons wether they like it or not.

Thus reducing the impact of what revision?, you aren't having a revision. What you are doing is juggling the hours around for no justification in benefiting the office at all.............except maybe the odd couple of people. However if you have a Plan A, B and C you could do with being made a full time union official because they don't have Plan Bs let alone Plan Cs

Juggling? Hours are going our biggest ever saving of hours

That the changes overall are not as major as plan A I will give you, but ultimatley a revison means changes to duties and that is exactly what is happening.



4 deliveries out (Gross figure) of which 2 will be done by having the rounds thrown off and OPG's go the frame to collect a section of those duties (these are the duties that get absorbed due to sick leave) and a rural taken out with replotting of three other rurals to accomadate. Creation of a brand new duty due to housing growth. The 20 hour tiny delivey duty is attached entirely onto a firms duty. Rotating days off duties (12 of them) for the first time ever (due to demand from the membership during preference exercise) but with 2 in 6 sats off offered to them by area rep and senior manager at a office meeting.

Rurals starting 30 mins later

Sat only PT X 2

Mondays and Saturdays only PT X 1

That sounds like a lot of change to me, in FACT its a hell of a lot more change than the 2008 pegasus revision which took out 1 urban delivery and did NOTHING else to any other duty.

[dvbuk55]

That sounds like a lot of change to me, in FACT its a hell of a lot more change than the 2008 pegasus revision which took out 1 urban delivery and did NOTHING else to any other duty.

Well take it from me, to an outsider it doesn't look much like a revision, or a helluva lot of change. As for this shortage of planners - when a revision is accomplished that leaves a planner free................BUT in truth a planner does more than one office at once. Providing the data is there then it really is a simple matter for geo route to plan the deliveries using the software.

[kilrenny]

got a yes vote so we could cut off and leave piles of mail. so it seems from the failure of management to admit they are wrong.

[MisterPostie]

Ok this is what we need to know then,were theses revisions voted by the members or not and why not if not,i've just logged on and skipping through some posts in the 2010 forum and it doesn't look good.

Why are people letting others get away with s**t from management and reps.
P&M all over again!

It's for the money. Most of us who have been around for a long period of time know the way the Company works. If you don't accept it they will find some way of forcing it in anyway. They are going to bring it in anyway, vote or no vote, so vote yes and actually get something for it.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Ok this is what we need to know then,were theses revisions voted by the members or not and why not if not,i've just logged on and skipping through some posts in the 2010 forum and it doesn't look good.

Why are people letting others get away with s**t from management and reps.
P&M all over again!

It's for the money. Most of us who have been around for a long period of time know the way the Company works. If you don't accept it they will find some way of forcing it in anyway. They are going to bring it in anyway, vote or no vote, so vote yes and actually get something for it.

But thats why the offer the bung so that you accept the unacceptable and long will it continue unless you make a stand. Me personnaly I would rather they forced the unworkable in and they let them sort the chaos, rather than accepting the bung and then having to make it work and management saying so - "Because you accepted it"

[MisterPostie]

Ok this is what we need to know then,were theses revisions voted by the members or not and why not if not,i've just logged on and skipping through some posts in the 2010 forum and it doesn't look good.

Why are people letting others get away with s**t from management and reps.
P&M all over again!

It's for the money. Most of us who have been around for a long period of time know the way the Company works. If you don't accept it they will find some way of forcing it in anyway. They are going to bring it in anyway, vote or no vote, so vote yes and actually get something for it.

But thats why the offer the bung so that you accept the unacceptable and long will it continue unless you make a stand. Me personnaly I would rather they forced the unworkable in and they let them sort the chaos, rather than accepting the bung and then having to make it work and management saying so - "Because you accepted it"

Believe me, I completely understand your point, and maybe 15 years ago I may have had the will to join you, but years of being ground down kinda takes a lot of the fight out of you.

Deep down I know you are right, but for me it was the easy option, though I'm not exactly proud of my decision.