POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

[billyhayes]

Any news on this from any source whatsoever???

hello forum,if anyone has any news an updated post would be very welcome.many thanks

There is no news.

The CWU is looking to ballot for action over the christmas pressure.

Frankly I'm more concerned with what's going to happen next year.

F##k it. Just take the payrise now eh? To hell with the future.

[Running Man]

Thanks for the update Billy.

Let's wait and see what response a ballot brings; there's an awful lot of fed up people serving on counters up and down the country.

[123456]

thanks for the update..still no news.fingers crossed something positive is in the pipeline.me thinks many deserve it. :

[billyhayes]

...Looking at the e-mail I have received it would appear that a 2% increase plus some other odds and ends have been offered by POL to the CMA negotiating team, and they, in their wisdom, have rejected it.

...But if the business wants to do it, what do us managers do? refuse the rise? I for one could do with the money, especially after not getting a rise at all last year, along with everyone else in the RMG apart from counter staff who were coming into the last year of that multi year deal.

...I wasn't aware that we were expected to discuss our pay deals with the teams as a matter of course.

Just to respond to a few of your points there.

The "odds and ends" you refer to are a reduction from 41 hours gross to 36 hours net. This means that your lunches will be unpaid but there will NOT be an hourly 'uprise' for the 5 hours they are taking from you. Unlike when the counter staff went down in hours to 35, our hourly rate went up to compensate.
This is about 12-13% of your pay gone, per hour/day/week/month/year.

But never fear the 2% payrise on what's left will make it better...

If the deal were to come in, (although Unite have rejected it, there are whispers that POL will implement it by Executive Action), it is on the understanding that you also accept the clause that if POL so requires, current VR terms will be replaced with something less 'generous'.

In my area there are a lot of managers who are not members of Unite( ). So I think it very wise to "discuss your pay deal with the team as a matter of course" 'cos I could not believe that managers were grumbling at the Unite's rejection, and ONLY slobbering over the, shall we say, "Headline Rate".

Of course, although it isn't my job, I put them straight, and after a few hastily made phonecalls from them to a Unite rep or a member 'in the know' then they were able to clarify it.

THIS is why Unite, in their wisdom, rejected it. It equates to a MASSIVE attack on your current terms and conditions. Unless of course you can afford to lose over 10% of your pay.

There are approximately 450 managers. There are approximately 3000 counter clerks. If they can implement this on the managers without too many ripples in the water, it will come our way too.

Discuss...

[The BFO]

I think we need to be concerned about a lot more than whether we, or the managers, are getting a relatively insignificant pay rise. The coming months could get mightily unsettling in my view, and for the time being all we can do is wait and see what is eventually proposed.

[123456]

hello forum.my story is i bumped int a mail centre 3 years ago after my depot closed.now settled into royal mail life(not easy),i am still govened by the MTSF agreement so my pay claim is your pay claim,or NOT as it seems.so info for me is zero except for you kind people posting on here.in the 3 or so years since leaving as a crew member both businesses seem to be growing apart which is a shame.to all those in cash handling,good luck.its all slash and burn over here also.confusing times for sure...........

[billyhayes]

I think we need to be concerned about a lot more than whether we, or the managers, are getting a relatively insignificant pay rise. The coming months could get mightily unsettling in my view, and for the time being all we can do is wait and see what is eventually proposed.

Amen sister. As you say, come April, we will know. Count the days...

[bigjames]

...Looking at the e-mail I have received it would appear that a 2% increase plus some other odds and ends have been offered by POL to the CMA negotiating team, and they, in their wisdom, have rejected it.

...But if the business wants to do it, what do us managers do? refuse the rise? I for one could do with the money, especially after not getting a rise at all last year, along with everyone else in the RMG apart from counter staff who were coming into the last year of that multi year deal.

...I wasn't aware that we were expected to discuss our pay deals with the teams as a matter of course.

Just to respond to a few of your points there.

The "odds and ends" you refer to are a reduction from 41 hours gross to 36 hours net. This means that your lunches will be unpaid but there will NOT be an hourly 'uprise' for the 5 hours they are taking from you. Unlike when the counter staff went down in hours to 35, our hourly rate went up to compensate.
This is about 12-13% of your pay gone, per hour/day/week/month/year.


In my area there are a lot of managers who are not members of Unite( ). So I think it very wise to "discuss your pay deal with the team as a matter of course" 'cos I could not believe that managers were grumbling at the Unite's rejection, and ONLY slobbering over the, shall we say, "Headline Rate".

Of course, although it isn't my job, I put them straight, and after a few hastily made phonecalls from them to a Unite rep or a member 'in the know' then they were able to clarify it.

THIS is why Unite, in their wisdom, rejected it. It equates to a MASSIVE attack on your current terms and conditions. Unless of course you can afford to lose over 10% of your pay.

There are approximately 450 managers. There are approximately 3000 counter clerks. If they can implement this on the managers without too many ripples in the water, it will come our way too.

Discuss...

I am always amazed how, in this day and age, and working for a 'communications' company, that information rarely goes to the person or persons who should really have it. If, as you say, the drop in hours does not come with an increase in hourly rate, that is clearly a concern. However, how does it fit with Broadbanding? I wasn't aware we were paid by the hour anymore, more that we got a fixed amount for the job we do. Having said that, the whole subject of Broadbanding and the somewhat vague explanations we received when it was brought in could keep us posting for ages. I personally was not moaning at the offer being rejected per se, but I would like to have the full details, rather than the vagueness that prevails currently. Unite, CMA or whatever we are supposed to call them told us little other than the 2% and the reduction in hours, and POL have told us nothing. It would just be nice to know.

[billyhayes]

I will try to get hold of a copy of the 'LTB' if that is what it can be called by Unite. I had it on me 'puter but deleted it a couple of weeks ago.

If POSTMAN or any of the Admin team read this maybe they could get it also.

Broadbanding was engineered to be 'vague' etc etc. It has all led up to this point. Real cuts in pay.

Unite see it now as a moot point; it was poo pooed, so that's that.

Whereas POL will say no more on it and just might quietly play the Executive Action card.

If that happens it is up to you what you do about that...

[cashman]

hello forum.my story is i bumped int a mail centre 3 years ago after my depot closed.now settled into royal mail life(not easy),i am still govened by the MTSF agreement so my pay claim is your pay claim,or NOT as it seems.so info for me is zero except for you kind people posting on here.in the 3 or so years since leaving as a crew member both businesses seem to be growing apart which is a shame.to all those in cash handling,good luck.its all slash and burn over here also.confusing times for sure...........

Something maybe announced next week regarding pay for Supply Chain colleagues.

Still no news for counters colleagues.

[123456]

thank you for your time.i hope the news is satisfactory cashman.fingers crossed.