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It may not float, but the Royal Mail looks set for the private sector in some shape or form.
After a review of the Royal Mail by Richard Hooper, the former Ofcom deputy chairman, it looks like the government is committed to transferring the Royal Mail to private ownership in one form or another.
It might be sold to a private company, or it might be offloaded in a public offering to a mix of institutional and private investors, or something else -- the plans really are at a very early stage now, though part of it will involve a significant chunk of the shares going to Royal Mail staff.
Naturally, the unions are aghast at the idea, with Billy Hayes, general secretary of the Communication Workers Union, predicting higher postal prices and job losses -- and he may well be right about that. But he also said he fears "the government may also be plotting to seize the pension assets." What, Billy, you mean they might steal the £8bn deficit?
What about the pension fund?
Would-be Sids could be forgiven for seeing that pension fund deficit, which is likely to rise, as the poison in a not very shiny chalice. If included as part of the privatisation deal, it would surely send most investors running for the hills. After all, long-suffering investors in BT (LSE: BT-A) have had their massive deficit acting as a drag on the company for years, and it is not without good reason that people so often refer to BT as a pension fund manager running a telecoms business on the side.
But it looks like that is not going to happen with the Post Office -- the government is at least smart enough to realise that we're not all going to pile in to buy a share of a pension fund manager that happens to deliver letters, and has said it will take over the pension fund liabilities itself.
The network of Post Offices, which is a separate entity, is to be retained in state ownership, though whether that assuages any fears about further closures remains to be seen -- they've been closing them aplenty so far.
Investment prospect?
Anyway, what might the Royal Mail look like as an investment prospect? Well, up front, general business trends aren't exactly rosy.
Email has pretty much been the coffin of hand-written letters. As more of us quill-wielding oldies pop off to be replaced by kids who wouldn't recognise a pen if you poked them in the eye with one, the nails are slowly being hammered down.
In 2005, the Royal Mail was shifting 84 million postal items a day, including letters and parcels, and just 5 years later that is down to 71m. Over the next five years, the Royal Mail itself is predicting a further 20% fall, with some pundits suggesting the drop might be up to twice that.
The Royal Mail's own financial statements don't make for happy reading either. The 2009-2010 year saw overall group revenue a shade short £6.5bn, down from just over £6.6bn the year before, leading to an overall operating loss of £98m, which at least is down from an operating loss of £175m the year before.
What is perhaps more worrying is that operating costs account for 98.7% of revenues, even before any exceptional items, so we're looking at an operating margin of just 1.3%. The overall pre-tax loss for the year came in at £262m.
Regulation
Part of the problem is that the Royal Mail is operating in a highly regulated environment, with nearly 90% if its business being subject to price controls, and it is obliged by its Universal Service Obligation to carry letters to every address in the UK for a flat low price. The competition, of course, has no such obligation, and can offer only those services it wants at profitable prices.
On top of this, the EU wants mail services to be opened to full competition by 2012, and the Royal Mail is clearly in no position to face that -- even if it is privatised successfully and gets some new red-hot managers at the helm, it has no real hope of being turned into a slick profit machine in just two years.
Valuation?
Can we put any kind of valuation on a floated Royal Mail? Well, it's pretty hard to value a loss-making company that currently has no strategy in place for turning to profit.
A profitable low-margin company might manage a Price to Sales ratio (PSR) of , say, 0.5 to 1 -- a supermarket like Tesco (LSE: TSCO), which has pretty thin operating margins of around 5%, has a PSR of about 0.6.
So if the Royal Mail was priced on a PSR of, say, 0.5, it might be worth around £3.2bn. But given its almost non-existent operating margin, I think it might be generous to reduce that by only half to £1.6bn. And once we add other factors, like the lack of any sign of profit on the horizon, the strictly regulated environment that the Royal Mail has been operating in, and its lack of experience of free market price-setting and competition, I think we would have to knock another big chunk off that valuation.
So, in all, I think a fair valuation of the Royal Mail has to be less than £1bn, though how much less I wouldn't even try to guess -- it is entirely possible that it's worth nothing.
Would I buy shares? It wouldn't be investing, it would be charity -- Sid can have it.
It may not float, but the Royal Mail looks set for the private sector in some shape or form.
After a review of the Royal Mail by Richard Hooper, the former Ofcom deputy chairman, it looks like the government is committed to transferring the Royal Mail to private ownership in one form or another.
It might be sold to a private company, or it might be offloaded in a public offering to a mix of institutional and private investors, or something else -- the plans really are at a very early stage now, though part of it will involve a significant chunk of the shares going to Royal Mail staff.
Naturally, the unions are aghast at the idea, with Billy Hayes, general secretary of the Communication Workers Union, predicting higher postal prices and job losses -- and he may well be right about that. But he also said he fears "the government may also be plotting to seize the pension assets." What, Billy, you mean they might steal the £8bn deficit?
What about the pension fund?
Would-be Sids could be forgiven for seeing that pension fund deficit, which is likely to rise, as the poison in a not very shiny chalice. If included as part of the privatisation deal, it would surely send most investors running for the hills. After all, long-suffering investors in BT (LSE: BT-A) have had their massive deficit acting as a drag on the company for years, and it is not without good reason that people so often refer to BT as a pension fund manager running a telecoms business on the side.
But it looks like that is not going to happen with the Post Office -- the government is at least smart enough to realise that we're not all going to pile in to buy a share of a pension fund manager that happens to deliver letters, and has said it will take over the pension fund liabilities itself.
The network of Post Offices, which is a separate entity, is to be retained in state ownership, though whether that assuages any fears about further closures remains to be seen -- they've been closing them aplenty so far.
Investment prospect?
Anyway, what might the Royal Mail look like as an investment prospect? Well, up front, general business trends aren't exactly rosy.
Email has pretty much been the coffin of hand-written letters. As more of us quill-wielding oldies pop off to be replaced by kids who wouldn't recognise a pen if you poked them in the eye with one, the nails are slowly being hammered down.
In 2005, the Royal Mail was shifting 84 million postal items a day, including letters and parcels, and just 5 years later that is down to 71m. Over the next five years, the Royal Mail itself is predicting a further 20% fall, with some pundits suggesting the drop might be up to twice that.
The Royal Mail's own financial statements don't make for happy reading either. The 2009-2010 year saw overall group revenue a shade short £6.5bn, down from just over £6.6bn the year before, leading to an overall operating loss of £98m, which at least is down from an operating loss of £175m the year before.
What is perhaps more worrying is that operating costs account for 98.7% of revenues, even before any exceptional items, so we're looking at an operating margin of just 1.3%. The overall pre-tax loss for the year came in at £262m.
Regulation
Part of the problem is that the Royal Mail is operating in a highly regulated environment, with nearly 90% if its business being subject to price controls, and it is obliged by its Universal Service Obligation to carry letters to every address in the UK for a flat low price. The competition, of course, has no such obligation, and can offer only those services it wants at profitable prices.
On top of this, the EU wants mail services to be opened to full competition by 2012, and the Royal Mail is clearly in no position to face that -- even if it is privatised successfully and gets some new red-hot managers at the helm, it has no real hope of being turned into a slick profit machine in just two years.
Valuation?
Can we put any kind of valuation on a floated Royal Mail? Well, it's pretty hard to value a loss-making company that currently has no strategy in place for turning to profit.
A profitable low-margin company might manage a Price to Sales ratio (PSR) of , say, 0.5 to 1 -- a supermarket like Tesco (LSE: TSCO), which has pretty thin operating margins of around 5%, has a PSR of about 0.6.
So if the Royal Mail was priced on a PSR of, say, 0.5, it might be worth around £3.2bn. But given its almost non-existent operating margin, I think it might be generous to reduce that by only half to £1.6bn. And once we add other factors, like the lack of any sign of profit on the horizon, the strictly regulated environment that the Royal Mail has been operating in, and its lack of experience of free market price-setting and competition, I think we would have to knock another big chunk off that valuation.
So, in all, I think a fair valuation of the Royal Mail has to be less than £1bn, though how much less I wouldn't even try to guess -- it is entirely possible that it's worth nothing.
Would I buy shares? It wouldn't be investing, it would be charity -- Sid can have it.
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
No i wont be buying any shares, i still have my colleague shares 
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andy2007
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Would I buy shares in RM?
WTF with?!?
I don't know about the rest of you. But I don't earn enough to afford to buy shares!
WTF with?!?
I don't know about the rest of you. But I don't earn enough to afford to buy shares!
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Those bastards offering us a few small shares, is the equivalent of the medieval Lord of the Manor throwing a bone to the dogs to keep 'em away from his well-stocked table.
As far as I'm concerned, they can shove their paltry few shares up their arses.
As far as I'm concerned, they can shove their paltry few shares up their arses.
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Buy shares in what would have been Royal Mail once upon a time, stuff that!andy2007 wrote:Would I buy shares in RM?
WTF with?!?
I don't know about the rest of you. But I don't earn enough to afford to buy shares!
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barbario
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
No,i won't be buying any shares. Anyway, his fall in mail volume,could it have something to do with the world wide recession or did the recession only effect other industries,. 
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teesdale
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Thing is with Royal Mail is that no one knows exactly how much money it makes. Figures for this and that are inaccurate or often made up. How much is all the land, equipment and contracts worth. With shutting half the mail centres and lots of delivery offices huge savings will have been made. Plans to make 2000 middle managers redundant saving £140 million will probably be followed by making 4000 junior managers redundant. Giving a sale price of £1 billion to Royal Mail has got to be a huge under estimate. With the pension deficit removed this figure would probably be nearer the future yearly profit.
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Royal Mail wont float ,sh-- usually sinks
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
If RM was fully privatised, placing itself (apart from the USO) on an even footing as regards pricing etc with the competition (and doing away with the need for Postcom
), that plus the decimation of jobs which would follow, would, in this crazy world of ours
, make the shares go through the roof!
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
If I am a man with money to invest, I wouldn't put it in Royal Mail asap. I probably wait for few years to see shares price drop a lot more then maybe look into it.
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
I hate writers who don't do the least bit of research but pretend to be experts.
The government doesn't give a toss about the (most likely overestimated) £8 billion deficit. It wants the £26 billion already in the fund, just sitting there.
The government doesn't give a toss about the (most likely overestimated) £8 billion deficit. It wants the £26 billion already in the fund, just sitting there.
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andy2007
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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Precisely! They're not known as the ConDem (or ConD'em as I prefer to write it) Government for nothing!

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Re: Would You Buy Shares In Royal Mail?
Correct. Our pension fund has these REAL assets as opposed to HMG's fake, ponzi currency. All politcal parties of the state want these assets for the state ( LibLabCon) . The projections for the future of the pension scheme are just that, projections, guesses, just like WMD guesses and bankers economic and market guesses. No real evidence at all.britwrit wrote:I hate writers who don't do the least bit of research but pretend to be experts.
The government doesn't give a toss about the (most likely overestimated) £8 billion deficit. It wants the £26 billion already in the fund, just sitting there.
I will be buying shares if this is forced through. A 10% voting block is something, a bit better than nothing in the way of workers representation, and maybe a hell of a lot better than our unions representation, which has agreed for me more work on an already overloaded job, for less pay. Hell, I wouldnt mind 5 x d2d a week if at least I was getting paid for the damned things rather than sharing the cash with none delivery lard arses.
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AdTheBad wrote:Correct. Our pension fund has these REAL assets as opposed to HMG's fake, ponzi currency. All politcal parties of the state want these assets for the state ( LibLabCon) . The projections for the future of the pension scheme are just that, projections, guesses, just like WMD guesses and bankers economic and market guesses. No real evidence at all.britwrit wrote:I hate writers who don't do the least bit of research but pretend to be experts.
The government doesn't give a toss about the (most likely overestimated) £8 billion deficit. It wants the £26 billion already in the fund, just sitting there.
I will be buying shares if this is forced through. A 10% voting block is something, a bit better than nothing in the way of workers representation, and maybe a hell of a lot better than our unions representation, which has agreed for me more work on an already overloaded job, for less pay. Hell, I wouldnt mind 5 x d2d a week if at least I was getting paid for the damned things rather than sharing the cash with none delivery lard arses.
I don't think the Government can legally take the Pension funds in order to use it to cover losses in the budget or to reduce taxes, it had to be ringfenced for Pension payouts only
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