London Closures

[westlondonpostie]

Just got a txt from a Union rep.
Royal Mail plan to brief Mail Centre staff today informing them of their plans to close East London, Nine Elms and Rathbone Place. Anyone heard anything.

[Martin Walsh]

This afternoon royal mail have given the London reps their preferred option which is to close rathbone place, close nine elms and to close east London mail centres ! The mount will stay open but royal mail want to remove all the inward international work to Langley .

The cwu oppose royal mails plans and let the battle commence !

[norwichchris]

The CWU must now send out ballot papers asap for a national strike. It'll be about bloody time!

[davy k]

Don,t hold you,re breath,the union have given the management an easy ride onthe closures around the country ,so i cant see there being much support to fight any london closures.

[fishtank]

This afternoon royal mail have given the London reps their preferred option which is to close rathbone place, close nine elms and to close east London mail centres ! The mount will stay open but royal mail want to remove all the inward international work to Langley .

The cwu oppose royal mails plans and let the battle commence !

What kind of battle will that be dingo?
Do you intend to fight the closures or simply try to get the best deal for those displaced?

dingo » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:47,am
In London we decided long ago that you cant defend bricks and mortar but you can defend people and we have no intentions of going quitely.

[hubbahubba]

This afternoon royal mail have given the London reps their preferred option which is to close rathbone place, close nine elms and to close east London mail centres ! The mount will stay open but royal mail want to remove all the inward international work to Langley .

The cwu oppose royal mails plans and let the battle commence !

What kind of battle will that be dingo?
Do you intend to fight the closures or simply try to get the best deal for those displaced?

dingo » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:47,am
In London we decided long ago that you cant defend bricks and mortar but you can defend people and we have no intentions of going quitely.

remember the national strikes around a year ago?We,the members,had RM by the balls,only to be shafted behind closed doors,and for the naive "sheep"(around about 70% of the workforce,i reckon?)to be told "this is the ONLY deal,theres no plan b" etc etc by management and CWU alike,scaring them into a yes vote,or confusing them so much that they didnt even bother voting!!

[swoosta]

The CWU must now send out ballot papers asap for a national strike. It'll be about bloody time!

But the CWU recommended the moderisation programme in the last ballot which they said vote yes

[baldrick]

We had briefings at Mount Pleasant this evening. WCDO is to move into MP. All Foreign Inward mail to go from MP to HWDC.
Nine Elms and East London MC to close with processing moved to Romford, Jubilee MC, Hounslow, Greenford and Croydon.
RM are saying it will mean the loss of 973 jobs in London.
They are saying that this is within the terms of the 2010 & Beyond modernisation proposals.

[Martin Walsh]

Fishtank and everyone else not intrested in your cheaps shots or the comments and I am not going to tell you our strategy.

Other than to say every Branch within London has endorsed the policy and we will be opposing Royal Mail`s perfered option by all means at our disposal.

I will at some stage put up the CWU London`s alternative option which was supplied to Royal Mail and with no surprises rejected.

[fishtank]

Fishtank and everyone else not intrested in your cheaps shots or the comments and I am not going to tell you our strategy.

Other than to say every Branch within London has endorsed the policy and we will be opposing Royal Mail`s perfered option by all means at our disposal.

I will at some stage put up the CWU London`s alternative option which was supplied to Royal Mail and with no surprises rejected.

It wasn't a cheap shot it was a genuine question...given that you have already stated that you cannot defend bricks and mortar..i wondered what direction the battle would take....a reasonable question given your post.
You said the CWU opposed it.

The cwu oppose royal mails plans and let the battle commence !

Did you mean CWU London?...if you meant the union as a whole then the union as a whole has a right to an explanation as to why some closures seem to be more important than others...some battles worth fighting...some not.
Remember it's not CWU London's subs that are being used to fight this battle..it's all our subs..United as one dingo....

[dvbuk55]

Fishtank and everyone else not intrested in your cheaps shots or the comments and I am not going to tell you our strategy.

Other than to say every Branch within London has endorsed the policy and we will be opposing Royal Mail`s perfered option by all means at our disposal.

I will at some stage put up the CWU London`s alternative option which was supplied to Royal Mail and with no surprises rejected.

Contrary to your fantasy dingo, there is no CWU London, there is just the CWU - and guess what - nobody outside London is remotely interested in what happens. In relation to the oft quoted "big picture" this is small beer. My advice would be don't go for a ballot, you'll be 20 days down the line without result, only this time there will be NO bale out with a national vote.

As for the closures - what was being discussed in the modernisation plan for 5 months? It strikes me that your likes are prepared to sell everyone else out only to find that you too actually have to modernise and then take the hump and become militant .......or is it just brave talk for the troops? What does the truth think

[Martin Walsh]

Dvbuk you really are a bitter and twised , it must be sad having your outlook on life. For the record there is a London region and a London Divisonal Committee like there is in all parts of the UK. These committees can set policy and often do and in London we have made a decision which has been supported by every single branch in London. Quite frankly we did not wait for you last year and we wont be holding our breath waiting for the likes of you this year.

The union survives in London because we dont just accept what Royal Mail wants and we have the bottle to fight if we need to. The dispute last year was not wasted as Royal Mail real agenda was to introduce their whole business plan without agreement and if necessary by executive action , we stopped that , we resolved the executive a lot of our offices now ave 4 day weeks back !! Do you really believe that without action they would now have them ? Plus we have an agreement which the members voted to accept ! Now you and some on here might not like that but thats the fact.

Now Fishtank the over riding object of the agreement is to avoid complusory redundancies . Closing two mail centres plus moving the inward foriegn from the mount throwing up another 400 jobs is the equialvant of another mail centre closure.

The fight is clear , Royal Mail plans will mean that people are made complusory redundant.

We will fight these plans and if that means by industrial action then so be it , we will get the ballot . do you really think the PEC will say no.

[dvbuk55]

Dvbuk you really are a bitter and twised , it must be sad having your outlook on life. For the record there is a London region and a London Divisonal Committee like there is in all parts of the UK. These committees can set policy and often do and in London we have made a decision which has been supported by every single branch in London. Quite frankly we did not wait for you last year and we wont be holding our breath waiting for the likes of you this year.

The union survives in London because we dont just accept what Royal Mail wants and we have the bottle to fight if we need to. The dispute last year was not wasted as Royal Mail real agenda was to introduce their whole business plan without agreement and if necessary by executive action , we stopped that , we resolved the executive a lot of our offices now ave 4 day weeks back !! Do you really believe that without action they would now have them ? Plus we have an agreement which the members voted to accept ! Now you and some on here might not like that but thats the fact.

Now Fishtank the over riding object of the agreement is to avoid complusory redundancies . Closing two mail centres plus moving the inward foriegn from the mount throwing up another 400 jobs is the equialvant of another mail centre closure.

The fight is clear , Royal Mail plans will mean that people are made complusory redundant.

We will fight these plans and if that means by industrial action then so be it , we will get the ballot . do you really think the PEC will say no.

I'm not bitter or twisted dingo, I just don't swallow the crap put out by the likes of you. London Divisions et al doesn't make it CWU London - as though you are trying to make it more important than anywhere else in the country. As someone else has pointed out it is a National organisation financed by all the members and in my opinion is influenced far too often by mediocre reps based in the south. No you didn't wait last year dingo, you led your members in a futile 20 day strike which amounted to nothing until the national ballot brought out the rest of the country. So by all means flex your muscle in the south and see where it gets you this time.

[Tman]

Dvbuk you really are a bitter and twised , it must be sad having your outlook on life.

Maybe, but why do still engage in the same old to-and-fro with him (and certain others)? He's made it abundantly clear he has issues with the CWU and is no longer a member, so the replies he posts to/at you are not driven by anything other than those same personal issues...

Quite why he believes that London is somehow "different" to the rest of the UK has never been disclosed, although to say "no-one is remotely interested" is taking the belief that one's personal views are held by everyone to a new level.

[fishtank]

Dvbuk you really are a bitter and twised , it must be sad having your outlook on life.

Maybe, but why do still engage in the same old to-and-fro with him (and certain others)? He's made it abundantly clear he has issues with the CWU and is no longer a member, so the replies he posts to/at you are not driven by anything other than those same personal issues...

Quite why he believes that London is somehow "different" to the rest of the UK has never been disclosed, although to say "no-one is remotely interested" is taking the belief that one's personal views are held by everyone to a new level.

Has it come to the point Tman, where you have to hide behind another poster to have a go at someone?
Surely you should be directing your post at dvb...not dingo.