ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post Office® discussion forum for our Post Office® colleagues from Crown, Franchise to Sub Post Offices.
bigjames
POST OFFICE
Posts: 136
Joined: 17 May 2007, 21:23
Gender: Male
Location: Within the M25

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by bigjames »

Mr Love Pants wrote:Heard today that unite had written to the managers informing them that 2% was on the table - What about us?
Interesting, although not unexpected, responses to the fact that managers might have been offered a pay rise. Looking at the e-mail I have received it would appear that a 2% increase plus some other odds and ends have been offered by POL to the CMA negotiating team, and they, in their wisdom, have rejected it. There are many who might suggest that a business that makes an almighty loss each year cannot afford to give anybody a pay rise, especially in these days of fiscal belt-tightening. But if the business wants to do it, what do us managers do? refuse the rise? I for one could do with the money, especially after not getting a rise at all last year, along with everyone else in the RMG apart from counter staff who were coming into the last year of that multi year deal. Personally, I think all front line staff, including managers, deserve a rise. There are fewer staff in branch than ever, yet we are all expected to deliver more and more with less and less. It should be increases across the board in counter teams.
In answer to Claire 1.9 about her managers not mentioning the letter - why should they? I wasn't aware that we were expected to discuss our pay deals with the teams as a matter of course. I talk to my team if they want to know something, but I don't go out of my way to discuss the finer points of my pay with them, any more than I expect them to tell me what they get either. Information like that is usually freely available if you are interested.
billyhayes
POST OFFICE
Posts: 455
Joined: 05 Aug 2007, 00:50
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by billyhayes »

Oh dear.

You seem to have missed the point.

In a few weeks you will be tasked with talking your staff out of industrial action, (which is over the christmas pressure period folks), due to no payrise.

Your CAM will expect you to have the whole office scabbing with your strike breaking skills.

Do you think they will toe the company line when the very same person preaching to them IS getting a rise? :funneh :cuppa :left:

Seems the CWU won't have to try very hard to get people out. The managers will do that for them... :nana
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
Joseph Goebbels
claire1.9
POST OFFICE
Posts: 38
Joined: 09 Dec 2008, 20:32
Gender: Female

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by claire1.9 »

Thankyou Billy hayes you took the words right out of my mouth. Big james i expect then when the business deliver information on our pay increase you will just run it off not read it and then not get involved with it and just sit on the fence after all you are not intitled to an opinon on our pay deal. but in the real world of the post office we know that is not the case as the business you know will use you as much as they can to persuade us what the business is saying is right. All I can say on the matter it didn't work last time and it won't do again. And about it not being our business as far as my collegues and i are concerned if they can afford a pay rise for you they can afford one for us because I don't know about you but I work dam hard at my job for not enough in return and I am not just talking about money.
billyhayes
POST OFFICE
Posts: 455
Joined: 05 Aug 2007, 00:50
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by billyhayes »

Nice one claire.

But let them have their cake, because buried deep in the 'add ons' on the Unite pay offer is a bit about stopping the 'no compulsory redundancies' for management grades... :whistle

And by the way, it's an empty gesture by Unite that they have 'rejected' the offer. What's going to happen if POL do not change the offer?

Call the managers out? I don't think so. :dance :dance :dance
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
Joseph Goebbels
cashman
POST OFFICE
Posts: 70
Joined: 02 Nov 2007, 16:16
Gender: Male
Location: London

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by cashman »

claire1.9 wrote:Thankyou Billy hayes you took the words right out of my mouth. Big james i expect then when the business deliver information on our pay increase you will just run it off not read it and then not get involved with it and just sit on the fence after all you are not intitled to an opinon on our pay deal. but in the real world of the post office we know that is not the case as the business you know will use you as much as they can to persuade us what the business is saying is right. All I can say on the matter it didn't work last time and it won't do again. And about it not being our business as far as my collegues and i are concerned if they can afford a pay rise for you they can afford one for us because I don't know about you but I work dam hard at my job for not enough in return and I am not just talking about money.
:Applause :Applause :Applause
The management attitude is the same across the company, we in cash centres are treated to the same thing by our managers. We are constantly told we are the best paid in the cash services industry. I've heard it said before, it's a race to the bottom folks!
Supply Chain - P.O.L.
bigjames
POST OFFICE
Posts: 136
Joined: 17 May 2007, 21:23
Gender: Male
Location: Within the M25

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by bigjames »

billyhayes wrote:Oh dear.

You seem to have missed the point.
Maybe, and maybe not. I personally do not think that striking solves anything, my father was a postman in 1971 and it didn't do a lot for him. However, if the CWU call a strike, or indeed any sort of industrial action, then it is your right to take part. I have never attempted to talk any of my teams out of taking part in industrial action, I have always let them make that decision for themselves.

But perhaps other people have missed my point. It was not about whether I support industrial action or not, or whether I will persuade my team not to strike (which I won't, and let's face it they are all adults and will make up their own minds anyway), or indeed whether or not I should impart all the detail of any potential rise to my team. I think the point is that we all should get a rise. If the money is there, everyone should get some. I work with some very committed individuals who deserve greater reward for the efforts they put in. I know that the CWU and CMA grades get seperate pay deals each year, but this time round it seems almost contrived to cause confrontation. All of our jobs are hard enough in branches without wedges like this being driven between us.
The BFO
POST OFFICE
Posts: 419
Joined: 12 Oct 2009, 20:36
Gender: Female

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by The BFO »

bigjames wrote: seems almost contrived to cause confrontation. All of our jobs are hard enough in branches without wedges like this being driven between us.
I believe you may be right old chap. The difference between Branch Managers and Counter Clerks in the overall hierarchy is negligible. In my view we should all be directing our ire at the senior people in Royal Mail Group, Politicians, and the upper echelons of the Banking Industry. The Unite Union is affiliated to the Trades Union Congress, as is the CWU, and I was greatly heartened this week to hear that coordinated action across multiple Unions is being considered.

Unfortunately many of us are saddled with some inept, and in some cases bad, Branch Managers - but there are a few exceptions.
Running Man
POST OFFICE
Posts: 175
Joined: 09 Dec 2009, 00:02
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by Running Man »

I have said several times before on this forum that if we are to survive then everybody needs to pull together; from the front line teams right up to the Executive Committee.
So why is it that the said Executive Committee seem intent on driving a wedge between managers and staff at every opportunity?

Forgive me for stating the obvious but offering a pay rise to the managers but not for our hardworking counter (and cash centre) teams will do nothing but antagonise our staff and embarrass our more fair-minded managers.

I do accept incidentally that a small percentage of managers will be thinking "it's only right; what's the problem?" if we have a pay rise and our staff don't because that's just the way some of our self-styled high flyers will think unfortunately.

Personally I think that if POL can afford a pay rise then it has to be a pay rise for all.
If POL cannot afford one, and I strongly suspect that is the case, then let's just get on with things as best we can and not cause any unnecessary friction because goodness knows there's enough of that about anyway in crown offices (and cash centres) at the moment!
"They couldn't see what should have been so obvious".
TrueBlueTerrier
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 72484
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
Gender: Male
Location: On my couch

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

Perhaps I am being cynical but this seems very similar to the last few years when RML managers have been getting target driven bonuses but front line staff had not. During that time our Managers have had to do some very unsavoury things and subsequently get flack from both above and below.

The idea, and its only supposition and theory on my part, is to keep at least one section of staff sweet whilst they change the T&Cs of others. Basically the old tactic of Divide and Conquer.
All post by me in Green are Admin Posts.
Any post in any other colour is my own responsibility.
If you like a news story I posted please click the link to show support Any news stories you can't post - PM me with a link
My sharing of news articles should not be interpreted as an endorsement or condemnation of any particular viewpoint or the issues presented. I share them solely for informational purposes.
subbie
POST OFFICE
Posts: 418
Joined: 03 Feb 2010, 11:41
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by subbie »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but POL have offered managerial grades 2%, the managers have rejected this offer. Therefore unless POL impose this 2% increase there is no pay increase for managers.
Maybe POL will walk away, and leave the managers in the same position as the rest of us? With nowt!

Subbie
cashman
POST OFFICE
Posts: 70
Joined: 02 Nov 2007, 16:16
Gender: Male
Location: London

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by cashman »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Perhaps I am being cynical but this seems very similar to the last few years when RML managers have been getting target driven bonuses but front line staff had not. During that time our Managers have had to do some very unsavoury things and subsequently get flack from both above and below.

The idea, and its only supposition and theory on my part, is to keep at least one section of staff sweet whilst they change the T&Cs of others. Basically the old tactic of Divide and Conquer.
cashman wrote:
I spoke to the Head of Supply Chain last week, he said there was a meeting with Dave Smith & others recentley which was positve from both sides (CWU / Management) but this only concerned Supply Chain staff.

Divide and rule methinks!!!
:shock: :sad: :no no
Supply Chain - P.O.L.
bigjames
POST OFFICE
Posts: 136
Joined: 17 May 2007, 21:23
Gender: Male
Location: Within the M25

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by bigjames »

subbie wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but POL have offered managerial grades 2%, the managers have rejected this offer. Therefore unless POL impose this 2% increase there is no pay increase for managers.
Maybe POL will walk away, and leave the managers in the same position as the rest of us? With nowt!

Subbie
Well Yes and No. Technically the offer has been made to Unite/CMA our "representation", and they, on our behalf, have refused the offer. Managers as such have had no input, other than electing our "representation". If given the opportunity I would probably vote yes for 2% as an alternative to nothing, but I would like to know more about the other parts of the deal.
Running Man
POST OFFICE
Posts: 175
Joined: 09 Dec 2009, 00:02
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by Running Man »

Any news on this from any source whatsoever???
"They couldn't see what should have been so obvious".
123456
POST OFFICE
Posts: 84
Joined: 03 Sep 2010, 14:39
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by 123456 »

hello forum,if anyone has any news an updated post would be very welcome.many thanks
User avatar
POSTMAN
SITE ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 32673
Joined: 07 Aug 2006, 03:19
Gender: Male

Re: POL PAY DEAL ANY INFO???

Post by POSTMAN »

There are no LTB'S on this so far and as you know we get them all and post up straight away.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.