2010 AND BEYOND:Agreement and LTB:Download

[cplbilko]

Our Line Manager has informed us that most of the agreement will take 2 years before it comes into our office, but you know we'd start working later on saturdays straight away if they get a YES vote.
Also he has informed us that parts of the agreement can't happen in our office as it isn't possible.

I'm voting NO as well as most of my office.

[cplbilko]

I was hoping they would have offered us a fixed payment for D2D's, without losing any of our payments we already receive. How can they expect us to take a pay cut, by losing those payments and then in the future gaining more D2D's. Losing more money.
All thing agreement does for us is put less money in our pockets each week.

[dvbuk55]

Our Line Manager has informed us that most of the agreement will take 2 years before it comes into our office, but you know we'd start working later on saturdays straight away if they get a YES vote.
Also he has informed us that parts of the agreement can't happen in our office as it isn't possible.

I'm voting NO as well as most of my office.

I'll just bet that the parts that won't happen will be 1 in 4 Saturdays, cplbilko - when did you get demoted by the way.

[cplbilko]

I'll just bet that the parts that won't happen will be 1 in 4 Saturdays, cplbilko - when did you get demoted by the way.[/quote]

I'm his grandson

[dvbuk55]

I'll just bet that the parts that won't happen will be 1 in 4 Saturdays, cplbilko - when did you get demoted by the way.

I'm his grandson[/quote]

[daveyctvr]

Crazy when I ask my Manager about the deal. We need a bigger office to accommodate the extra 30 vans we'll need.

He doesn't know where the new office is, or will be. Doesn't know if Royal Mail will build somewhere or they want to buy a ready-made building.

He thinks Royal Mail might want to merge us with another office.

Every question I ask he doesn't know the answer!!

One thing he did say was.... ''It's in stages so we'll just get hit with unlimited D2D's and just be expected to get on with it, You'll be every door every day so you'll just have to hand back or book overtime. It could take a couple of years to finally get it all running perfect''

What a load of S@@T!!

How can they expect anyone to vote yes when they don't even know how it's going to really work?. If we had a building bought that was big enough, The manager wrote up all the Drivers in the office and all those non-drivers who could team up, could give us a figure of how many part time staff will be made full time(at the moment its almost a 50/50 split) then we could start to see potential. It's too fragmented at the moment...

[badtrinity]

dont worry bout preptime the new css machines will do that for you( as well as reducing ur working hours)....this was a good deal for everyone in the short term but the deliverymen/women, its worrying. im in a closing office so i had to vote yes for improved mtsf agreement as ill be travellin bloody miles, in this vote people have had to put their own interests first in light of the current climate....it was a deal made to cause resentment amongst divisions :( . and as for the payrise im sure the new conservative/libdem budget will wipe that out...crap times we live in :(

[bobbyden]

All too often, financial carrots dangled in front of our noses, dictate our voting intentions. I have made that mistake in the past and freely admit it.

I was surprised the agreement got such a resounding majority and further surprised, so many union members did not bother to vote.

Believe me, with this management, you need to read the small print and this time I did. I rejected it out of hand, and the cheap lump-sums and equally cheap pay rises serve as no compensation for the battering ram, which is the management, remorselessly driving a horrible set of principles, which is to the detriment of all of us.

[NewPostieUK]

All too often, financial carrots dangled in front of our noses, dictate our voting intentions. I have made that mistake in the past and freely admit it.

I was surprised the agreement got such a resounding majority and further surprised, so many union members did not bother to vote.

Believe me, with this management, you need to read the small print and this time I did. I rejected it out of hand, and the cheap lump-sums and equally cheap pay rises serve as no compensation for the battering ram, which is the management, remorselessly driving a horrible set of principles, which is to the detriment of all of us.

Well said. I wonder how many, with hindsight, wish they'd voted, or voted the other way.

[Big Daz]

It was the non voters that created a majority, Its time conference debated thresholds for major change agreements.

How on earth can major change be implemented sucessfully on such a piss poor mandate?

[Danelectro]

It was the non voters that created a majority, Its time conference debated thresholds for major change agreements.

How on earth can major change be implemented sucessfully on such a piss poor mandate?

The right wing would be happy to hear that and in fact are discussing changing the law on strike ballots on exactly the point you are making.I know that is not your intention but its a slippery slope.

[Big Daz]

Two different things.

Im talking about a change in CWU policy relating to major change agreements, nothing more nothing less.
Four major change agreements in a decade and not one single one of them had a majority of the ballot papers despatched being returned as a yes vote.

The powers that be in CWU do not seem to care about apathy.

[fishtank]

The powers that be in CWU do not seem to care about apathy.

No Daz,you have it entirely wrong....they depend on apathy.
It is apathy that keeps Area reps,Branch Officials,Divisional Reps and ALL elected officials at HQ in position no matter their performance.
If it wasn't for apathy most,not all but most would be looking for employment elsewhere because they certainly couldn't hack it back on the frontline.
Lazy useless officials pray at the alter of apathy.

[Danelectro]

Two different things.

Im talking about a change in CWU policy relating to major change agreements, nothing more nothing less.
Four major change agreements in a decade and not one single one of them had a majority of the ballot papers despatched being returned as a yes vote.

The powers that be in CWU do not seem to care about apathy.

Two different things but both dont allow anything to move forward unless a certain % have cast their vote.I agree its best to get more members involved but that would take a complete overhaul of the union or at least leaders that dont make agreements based on free market logic then complain when the 'business' gets privatised.Neither looks likely without some sort of direct action.

[dvbuk55]

The powers that be in CWU do not seem to care about apathy.

No Daz,you have it entirely wrong....they depend on apathy.
It is apathy that keeps Area reps,Branch Officials,Divisional Reps and ALL elected officials at HQ in position no matter their performance.
If it wasn't for apathy most,not all but most would be looking for employment elsewhere because they certainly couldn't hack it back on the frontline.
Lazy useless officials pray at the alter of apathy.

Well said. It is apathy that allows them to be in the position they are in. They are the only ones who actually put themselves forward and consequently are elected regardless of ability and suitability. Once on the ladder they climb ever higher losing sight of their raison d'etre. It is for that reason that these positions should be time limited, whereby no official remains in place longer than 4 years, either 4 x 1 year elections or 2 x 2 year elections. If they are truly interested in the well being of the members then they would be welcome to have input as an ordinary member - with perhaps a little more insight being back on the shop floor.