Flexibility

[brookstar]

Could someone please clarify wether we are still working under the 2007 agreement of FLEXIBILITY, or as the new 2010 agreement superceeded this as my line-manager tried to send me out with collapsed mail knowing that it would take me over my finishing time " 30-40 mins" and said he couldn't pay me overtime and tried the FLEXIBILITY sh-te on me, after a 5 mins arguement i asked him to show me where it says in "2010 and beyond" that i have to work over my time and not get paid for it, i left the collapsed mail in the office.

[fishtank]

Could someone please clarify wether we are still working under the 2007 agreement of FLEXIBILITY, or as the new 2010 agreement superceeded this as my line-manager tried to send me out with collapsed mail knowing that it would take me over my finishing time " 30-40 mins" and said he couldn't pay me overtime and tried the FLEXIBILITY sh-te on me, after a 5 mins arguement i asked him to show me where it says in "2010 and beyond" that i have to work over my time and not get paid for it, i left the collapsed mail in the office.

Neither P&M2007 or 2010 and beyond state that you have to work over your time...and definitely neither say you won't be paid for it.
Flexibility is still in place but is not applicable in your case and should always be voluntary.
Absorption should only be applied if there is time within your duty.....your manager is a chancer.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Flexibility is 30 minutes and is voluntary as per the 2007 agreement:

Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.

and Unfortunately the 2010 has not superseded the 2007 agreement it has "reaffirmed" it.

This agreement reaffirms the 2007 Pay and Modernisation Agreement, concludes all outstanding Phase 4 negotiations, and builds upon the November 2009 Interim Agreement Key Principles – thus enabling the successful transformation of Royal Mail into a modern, dynamic and world class company.

[brookstar]

Well thanks for helping clear that up, unfortunately in our office there is no voluntary only enforced, our absorption is set out from week to week as many as 12 duties and occassionaly 1 or 2 are taken off their duty to perform other work whilst there duties are collapsed..crazy.. but with no unit rep on site the weak are pressed into doing it.

[carpbarbel]

flexibilty is only royal mail trying to get something for nothing

[Postal1]

We've been made to work 30mins over on busy days because of people working to their time. Management tell us we have to take it as flexibility and come in 30mins later the next day.
Area rep about as good as an ashtray on a motorbike saying this is fine.

Now we are getting bullied more when working to our time with people being singled out and mail counted then in the office for a dressing down.

[Broxi51]

We've been made to work 30mins over on busy days because of people working to their time. Management tell us we have to take it as flexibility and come in 30mins later the next day.
Area rep about as good as an ashtray on a motorbike saying this is fine.

Now we are getting bullied more when working to our time with people being singled out and mail counted then in the office for a dressing down.

Flexibility is voluntary See PM

[worktotime]

We've been made to work 30mins over on busy days because of people working to their time. Management tell us we have to take it as flexibility and come in 30mins later the next day.
Area rep about as good as an ashtray on a motorbike saying this is fine.

Now we are getting bullied more when working to our time with people being singled out and mail counted then in the office for a dressing down.

surely if you go in 30 mins later the next day it makes the job even harder to complete your duty , in our office its being called workload what a joke give r m nothing , just work to your time and cut off.

[Lincox]

individuals may be ASKED and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Does the word ASK mean that this is a voluntary situation and you can turn it down? In other words it is up to the individual whether he/she wishes to be flexible or not. Can someone please clarify.

[fishtank]

individuals may be ASKED and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Does the word ASK mean that this is a voluntary situation and you can turn it down? In other words it is up to the individual whether he/she wishes to be flexible or not. Can someone please clarify.

It HAS to be individual and it HAS to be voluntary.
Flexibility was not supposed to be a savings exercise it was supposed to be there to deal with unforeseen resourcing problems like late vans or unplanned increases in mail volume.
By it's very nature it is a "last minute" thing and people cannot be forced to change plans like childcare at the last minute.
If you can do it and are happy to do it then fine...otherwise refuse.

[POSTMAN]

Please check out the 2 links.
1st one is the P&M agreement 'Pay and Modernisation 2007-2009.pdf' see page 5 for flexing details...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=12462" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2nd link is 'Absorption advice:IMPORTANT!' they are management documents and wtl briefing docs...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=17905" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will also put this thread link in the 'VERY IMPORTANT:2010 THREADS AND DOWNLOADS ' stickie for reference as this seems to crop up a lot now.

[POSTMAN]

Also please remember,just because you finish early one day(IE:ATuesday),it does not mean you owe them the time,there is no agreement for 'Banking hours'.

[demon]

the can only ask you to be flexable once a week and even then they need it to be a case of opperational needs like vans bracking down or that many staff of sick they carnt get jobs done on overtime dont let them bully you in to it any solicitor will tell them were they can shove there flexabilty rule

[robinhood]

We've been made to work 30mins over on busy days because of people working to their time. Management tell us we have to take it as flexibility and come in 30mins later the next day.
Area rep about as good as an ashtray on a motorbike saying this is fine.

Now we are getting bullied more when working to our time with people being singled out and mail counted then in the office for a dressing down.

happening in our office too

[dblad]

We've been made to work 30mins over on busy days because of people working to their time. Management tell us we have to take it as flexibility and come in 30mins later the next day.
Area rep about as good as an ashtray on a motorbike saying this is fine.

Now we are getting bullied more when working to our time with people being singled out and mail counted then in the office for a dressing down.

Managers only bully you and give you dressing downs if you let them, I just wish people would stop being so timid and stand up for themselves.