early shift allowance

[maisymoo04]

dv heres the number for bullying and harassment buddy 0800 587 4777

[Big Daz]

DSA is dawn shift starts at 2.01am finishes at 0400

ESA is Early Shift Allowance and there is ESA 1 and ESA2

ESA 1 is 0401 to 0500

ESA 2 is 0501 to 0530


ESA 1 and 2 along with DTD monies now form the delivery supplement.


When 0600 starts came along CWU and its members voted to retain ESA as grandfather rights whilst the ESA money was looked at as part of 2007 agreement with the proviso that we would retain grandfather rights if if no agreement was reached.

As part of the 2010 talks agreement was reached and subsequently endorsed by the CWU membership. Therefore we lose ESA payments but the monies stay in the overall paybill as part of the supplement.

[maisymoo04]

TA DAZ

[dvbuk55]

dv heres the number for bullying and harassment buddy 0800 587 4777

I don't ring that anymore maisy, the last time I rang the bloke on the other end said "What the f*ck do you want now you whining tw*t"

[BELIAL]

dv heres the number for bullying and harassment buddy 0800 587 4777

Don't encourage him, his interests are unusual and varied enough already

[Cut Off King]

DSA is dawn shift starts at 2.01am finishes at 0400

ESA is Early Shift Allowance and there is ESA 1 and ESA2

ESA 1 is 0401 to 0500

ESA 2 is 0501 to 0530


ESA 1 and 2 along with DTD monies now form the delivery supplement.


When 0600 starts came along CWU and its members voted to retain ESA as grandfather rights whilst the ESA money was looked at as part of 2007 agreement with the proviso that we would retain grandfather rights if if no agreement was reached.

As part of the 2010 talks agreement was reached and subsequently endorsed by the CWU membership. Therefore we lose ESA payments but the monies stay in the overall paybill as part of the supplement.

Yes I know that.... But WHY was ESA sacraficed upon the high alter , yet at the same time DSA was allowed to continue for a select band of members ?
After all we all pay dues to the same union, yet some members allowances have been cut while others remain in place.

I suppose thats the "winners & loosers" that dinko was talking about.

The FACT is that this union has gone from a union who negotiated improved rights & benifits for its members to a union that is hellbent on giving up hard fought for and won rights, all for a seat at the top table for a select few - THE COST OF THIS SEAT ? - Our Terms, conditions and DECLINEING take home pay.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Just to clarify the DSA has not been protected and as far as I can see from the LTB just the difference between the higher ESA and the DSA:

Therefore, employees receiving Dawn Shift Grandfather Rights' payments before they were ceased in June, will now receive an additional £11.18 per week on a personal rights basis.

The question that I suppose could be asked that if they now pay the difference (on a protected basis) between ESA and DSA then why are they not doing the same for the higher ESA against the lower ESA. But as the agreement was specific about ESA that is one battle that is unwinnable, RMs problem was that DSA was not specifically mentioned.

[fishtank]

I am more interested in where the other £12.37 from the DSA went.
If it wasn't part of the agreement who said RM could nick it?

[Big Daz]

DSA is dawn shift starts at 2.01am finishes at 0400

ESA is Early Shift Allowance and there is ESA 1 and ESA2

ESA 1 is 0401 to 0500

ESA 2 is 0501 to 0530


ESA 1 and 2 along with DTD monies now form the delivery supplement.


When 0600 starts came along CWU and its members voted to retain ESA as grandfather rights whilst the ESA money was looked at as part of 2007 agreement with the proviso that we would retain grandfather rights if if no agreement was reached.

As part of the 2010 talks agreement was reached and subsequently endorsed by the CWU membership. Therefore we lose ESA payments but the monies stay in the overall paybill as part of the supplement.

Yes I know that.... But WHY was ESA sacraficed upon the high alter , yet at the same time DSA was allowed to continue for a select band of members ?
After all we all pay dues to the same union, yet some members allowances have been cut while others remain in place.

I suppose thats the "winners & loosers" that dinko was talking about.

The FACT is that this union has gone from a union who negotiated improved rights & benifits for its members to a union that is hellbent on giving up hard fought for and won rights, all for a seat at the top table for a select few - THE COST OF THIS SEAT ? - Our Terms, conditions and DECLINEING take home pay.

Cut , more a case of reformed and spread out more widely. Isnt that what socalists do and the CWU is a socalist union is it not?

If you look at the time dawn shift start being paid from I would hazerd a guess that was part of the thinking, how could you have OPG's in that time period switching to grandfather rights? Grandfather rights came to be because start times for delivery workers in the 0401 to 0530 period moved out of the ESA payment window.


CWU proposed to its members that grandfather rights and looking to do something different with ESA money was the solution to not being at work during the ESA time slot and the membership decided to accept that proposal!

[Big Daz]

I am more interested in where the other £12.37 from the DSA went.
If it wasn't part of the agreement who said RM could nick it?

Exactly, important principles are at stake here.

We still havent been told why and how the difference of opinion came to be and also if both sides feel there anyt lessons to be learned from this fiasco.

[maisymoo04]

hahah like that dv wait till the hcts come in you will get locked in one pal

[dvbuk55]

hahah like that dv wait till the hcts come in you will get locked in one pal

Well, the truth is maisy, I was once picked up by a bunch of postperson thugs and put in a tub and sent freewheeling down one of the aisles - for which I got into trouble as being the chief instigator, just because they happened to be close colleagues of mine, it was suggested I had put them up to it - as if. Anyway that particular manager didn't like me, actually none of them did, but he kept getting me and a few of my colleagues into the office on a regular basis. At one point we were removed from the main area and put in a room by ourselves, about 7 of us, well when I say one point it was for about two years until the new building was ready

[maisymoo04]

sure your manager was a DOM and not a perv haha

[dvbuk55]

sure your manager was a DOM and not a perv haha

Now that you mention it he had a penchant for cycling in tight lycra shorts