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Tamsky
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Royal Mail Scotland

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RM senior operational managers now in a panic that the nationally agreed Indoor Workload Tool will not slash n burn hours from offices so they want to use the unagreed capacity plan, (in fact they wanted CWU agreement to a Scottish version of IWT) They have been told not on by Union. Revisions will onlt take place under agreed process and tools.

Reps have been advised to use disagreement procedure where RM fail to abide by national agreement. In some units RM are failing packets/parcels/USO to enable enforced lapsing, in others DOM doing OPG work to allow lapsing. Feelings among members running high in some areas - some talk of Rule 13 ballots if all else fails. Need to look out my Peter the Picket face mask even if tres passe'.

East end barrow boy drafted in during senior managers enforced gardening leave is heading south for the winter. Heard his replacement is from North of Ireland who knows nothing of collections/delivery. Should be fun.

Drivers tagged to delivery mightily pissed off the still no Delivery supplement even though National Agreement clear on this point.

Been off RMC for a while - got fed up with anti union rants. Good to be back :wave
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Welcome back Tam,don't be a stranger mate.Keep the updates over the wall coming. :Very Happy
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

Post by guvenor »

was this the result of edinburgh meeting tamsky and do me a favour wtf are prep rates to be for west of scot fed up arguing
with all mgmt some were on claiming we get 11/12 items per min i wish were constantly bombarded with 22/25 per min and now a new barometer test does that imply we must be cold due to not going fast enough
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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Hi Guvnor

Indoor Workload Tooll is producing prep/sort rates between 11 - 14 depending on your units EP (Estimated Performance). This goes to the heart of the argument over capacity plan vs IWT.
Capacity plan divides mail volume types by hours allocated and uses 22.5 items a min prep/ sort rate to calculate throughputs. No allowance made for office layout, distance from IPS to prep frame, no time for clearing down, visiting locker etc etc. RM's bogus rate of 22.5 comes from the one minute test value times 60 mins - downdialled by 10%. A crap calculation which has no basis in science - But helps rip hours out of indoor work and failing that lays the blame at OPG over alledged poor performance.

The Indoor Workload Tool provides a more accurate assessment of indoor work through measured distances in office and proper time allowed for IPS/Prep/Tie down and in cases I've seen it throws out estimated prep sort rates around 11 - 14.

If Manager doing test insist he uses the Indoor workload tool as the only agreed tool.

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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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To understand this IWT can i give an example:

Say your office is set at 12. At the end of the day you've thrown in your mech mail(walk sequenced), gone and got mail off the roads several times, packets, kill offs, d2d's, packets, redirections all the way to bagged up and ready to go out. Say you were counted in 1200items. Does this mean you should have done all this and ready to go in 100mins?
Or is it just from throwing in to last letter in?
Plus, what happens to these times o you get recalled to do more road sorting to get it pushed through, or waiting for mail to all go through before you can band up?
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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Postal1 wrote:To understand this IWT can i give an example:

Say your office is set at 12. At the end of the day you've thrown in your mech mail(walk sequenced), gone and got mail off the roads several times, packets, kill offs, d2d's, packets, redirections all the way to bagged up and ready to go out. Say you were counted in 1200items. Does this mean you should have done all this and ready to go in 100mins?
Or is it just from throwing in to last letter in?
Plus, what happens to these times o you get recalled to do more road sorting to get it pushed through, or waiting for mail to all go through before you can band up?
These times in IWT include bundling,redirections, ready to depart
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Tamsky...it's the same on the East Coast.
Everything moving along relatively smoothly then up pops Higson asking questions why he's only getting half the savings from IWT that they thought they were getting and suddenly all bets are off and their dusting off the capacity plan again.
Involvement has basically ground to a halt now with 3 meetings cancelled at the last minute in the last week.We are 5 weeks away from implementation of the full bundled revision and now they don't want to talk to us.
If it doesn't go in on time they can shove it for this year because it will be too close to the Christmas period to introduce such big changes.
This could get very messy again.
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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Steviea34 wrote:
Postal1 wrote:To understand this IWT can i give an example:

Say your office is set at 12. At the end of the day you've thrown in your mech mail(walk sequenced), gone and got mail off the roads several times, packets, kill offs, d2d's, packets, redirections all the way to bagged up and ready to go out. Say you were counted in 1200items. Does this mean you should have done all this and ready to go in 100mins?
Or is it just from throwing in to last letter in?
Plus, what happens to these times o you get recalled to do more road sorting to get it pushed through, or waiting for mail to all go through before you can band up?
These times in IWT include bundling,redirections, ready to depart

How the heck can someone throw in 1200 items especially as you will have many trips to keep fetching from the roads, and be all banded up ready to go in 1hr 20mins?
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Postal1 wrote: How the heck can someone throw in 1200 items especially as you will have many trips to keep fetching from the roads, and be all banded up ready to go in 1hr 20mins?
100 minutes is 1hr 40 minutes.
The question is how can you throw in 1350 items and be ready to go in 90 minutes (60 mins prep + 30 mins tie down)- our current reality.
You can see why they don't like it.
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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Will they be able to take you down the conduct code route if you can't meet these targets. or just not be allowed to claim?
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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heard plenty of complaints recently so would not be suprised if there is a call to arms,in my humble opinion management are trying to take the pi-s.
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in my humble opinion management are trying to take the pi-s.
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Tamsky
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

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Postal1 wrote:To understand this IWT can i give an example:

Say your office is set at 12. At the end of the day you've thrown in your mech mail(walk sequenced), gone and got mail off the roads several times, packets, kill offs, d2d's, packets, redirections all the way to bagged up and ready to go out. Say you were counted in 1200items. Does this mean you should have done all this and ready to go in 100mins?
Or is it just from throwing in to last letter in?
Plus, what happens to these times o you get recalled to do more road sorting to get it pushed through, or waiting for mail to all go through before you can band up?

Rate of 12 per minute is only while on prep. If at frame 10 mins you should be able to prep 120 letters into frame. Total indoor time includes trips between IPS and frame, between locker and frame, between DBF and frame etc. etc.
The indoor workload tool traffic is based on your unit model traffic week and includes an estimate of how much traffic each frame receives - your prep time is based on this.

There is no doubt that the Indoor workload tool is to the advantage of the OPG. Hence some RM managers don't like it.
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Re: Royal Mail Scotland

Post by youwot!!!!! »

you live and learn.
i thought the indoor workload TOOL was the manager. :Very Happy
who the hell invests £2 billion into a servic and makes it worse?????????????
you really couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!!!!