Splintered Union! Top strategy

[ronpetetrevchris]

Just responding to another thread and started thinking how if i was a strategist for RM how happy id be with the current state.

In our office
30% 25 hour contracts - who 30% of those are on extended trials who wont say boo to a goose and will take whatever their told to.
20% + part time who are predominantly runners.
10% non members who are just selfish bstards who have always done what they want.
40% ish that are hard core full timers, about a third of which are no longer hard core because they are seriously disgrutled with the union, the rest just midly disgruntled.

60 ish% still use their own car (not including drivers) and most of hteir time have thier own adgenda.
30% coming in early (see above), and see them finishing after im on my way home (also see above).

Even on this site, which lets face it, is mostly militants (not necessarily pro CWU, but the ideals of pro union) there is serious split.

Cmon, if i was a business strategist working for RM and Government, i would want RM workforce exactly where they are now!!! Scattered.

[Danelectro]

Cmon, if i was a business strategist working for RM and Government, i would want RM workforce exactly where they are now!!! Scattered.

Well said and the only reason we are in this position is because we dont have inspirational union leadership which results in an ill informed membership who dont know why the art of growing some is important any more.

Meanwhile half the bloody country is in a daze waiting for the dream machine to start up again,yes soon property prices will start rising and the natural order of things will be restored,Sara Beeney will save us all!

[taxi4leighton]

couldnt agree more
the posties who come in early,dont take breaks,use their cars,etc etc
are now in the majority
and those of us,who do it by the book, are regarded as,
"trouble-some","millitant""anti-social""have an attitude problem" etc,etc
even though we are following guidelines which are agreed by both RM and CWU at national level
and indeed we stick to H&S rules
whereas the"cowboys" dont and often break the law by using their cars!!
last week i was going to ask my manager if our office had a register with details
of every one who used their cars on delivery?
a photocopy of their current,valid driving licenses?
a photocopy of their insurance policies?
a photocopy of a current M.O.T.certifacte for vehicle they are using
i didnt because i know the answer
this is the one topic where CWU are shooting at an open goal
but they havent grasped
they must set a deadline for cessation of private cars on delivery
after that ,crimanal action must follow

[clashcityrocker]

There should be a list displayed in every DO of anyone/everyone allowed to use their car on delivery.

[Dorset Plodder]

To be honest my DO isn't too bad (with the use of cars) most are used to get to outlying walks, say 5 miles away, and then there's bag drops and a bike left there. RM do pay mileage allowance if you drive out to those walks.

(It would cost them a fortune if you rode out )

Unfortunately it's just human nature to be lazy! Some people would have drive in toilets if they could get them! Just view your local supermarket, everyone fighting to get as close to the door as possible. DIMs don't care because it's getting the job done and CWU has got less backbone than a jelly fish

Agree that the majority of the workforce is just a bunch of selfish individuals, that are only interested in themselves, but as Ben Elton always said, "That's living in Thatcher's England!" After all we have the Bankers and Politicians showing us a fine example

[smarterdarter]

Someone say driving toilets

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[Postal1]

I quite agree with the statement. In fact i'm seriously considering leaving the union. I mean i've seen bullying by line managers to staff who turn up on time, have their breaks and work to time when needed, and not all the time when mails easy. managers use any tricks open to them as in trying to do you for wilful delay to councilling for 1st offence on leaving pda's behind, even though you've rung them and confirmed specials another way.

[ronpetetrevchris]

RM do pay mileage allowance if you drive out to those walks.

Please, tell me more

[Dorset Plodder]

Not sure on the official line but if your DIM wants you to travel to a nearby DO (to help them out) or to one of your deliveries that's in a nearby village etc they should either provide you with transport or pay you mileage allowance.

We've got a couple of outlying duties 5-10 miles from the main DO and they're normally delivered by Posties who live locally. If those Posties are on Leave or Sick and they want you to cover that Duty they have to pay you the Mileage Allowance so you can get there (or let you use a spare van). Normally you just hand a letter in with the days you were on Duty... and it'll come through as an extra Payslip, shouldn't have to worry about recording mileage as hopefully they know where their own duties are, But you never know

Normally put a claim in every couple of months but depends how many times you've been sent away, Says T&S Non-Taxable on the payslip. On the last one I got they payed £46 for just over a 100 mile claim.

Take it your DIM didn't bother telling you could claim? They're just like the Tax man never tell you anything, hope you manage to get some money out of your tight -fisted DIM don't forget to claim for any mileage you've already done

[POSTMAN]

100% right with the,they should transport you there AND back to the DO thing IN duty time.

[spilie]

sorry postman but we are told by union and rm that we finish on the street so no transport back for us, asked bob gibson the very same and was told LOCAL AGREEMENT, so some of us agree to cutting our own throats and others stand up for themselves, something about the weak ............ well ask dingo to finish that statement

[POSTMAN]

sorry postman but we are told by union and rm that we finish on the street so no transport back for us, asked bob gibson the very same and was told LOCAL AGREEMENT, so some of us agree to cutting our own throats and others stand up for themselves, something about the weak ............ well ask dingo to finish that statement

The point that i was referring to was when you have to go to another DO to cover as in the P&M agreement.

Local agreement on anything obviously vary,but what happens if you come in to work with your car but go out on the vans?
Why any rep or office would not put travelling time back to a DO in any revision is madness.

[ronpetetrevchris]

sorry postman but we are told by union and rm that we finish on the street so no transport back for us, asked bob gibson the very same and was told LOCAL AGREEMENT, so some of us agree to cutting our own throats and others stand up for themselves, something about the weak ............ well ask dingo to finish that statement

The point that i was referring to was when you have to go to another DO to cover as in the P&M agreement.

Local agreement on anything obviously vary,but what happens if you come in to work with your car but go out on the vans?
Why any rep or office would not put travelling time back to a DO in any revision is madness.

Couldnt agree more postman, but some did, i think when SDD came in and we all did use our cars the reps saw it as an easy saving. Our office has this no return, however i argued that my means of transport home was some 3 miles away and so it wasnt entirely ethical for them to leave me out there. After much debate (threats) i won and have a van on beck and call, this went to the DOM, DSM, and some above them, so there must be a loophole somewhere or they wouldnt of backed down.

[spilie]

agreed postman crazy decision but then thats the thing about local agreements, but like i said dingo thinks they are great

[Cheetah]

Just responding to another thread and started thinking how if i was a strategist for RM how happy id be with the current state.

In our office
30% 25 hour contracts - who 30% of those are on extended trials who wont say boo to a goose and will take whatever their told to.
20% + part time who are predominantly runners.
10% non members who are just selfish bstards who have always done what they want.
40% ish that are hard core full timers, about a third of which are no longer hard core because they are seriously disgrutled with the union, the rest just midly disgruntled.

60 ish% still use their own car (not including drivers) and most of hteir time have thier own adgenda.
30% coming in early (see above), and see them finishing after im on my way home (also see above).

Even on this site, which lets face it, is mostly militants (not necessarily pro CWU, but the ideals of pro union) there is serious split.

Cmon, if i was a business strategist working for RM and Government, i would want RM workforce exactly where they are now!!! Scattered.

You must work in our office.... lol. An excellent truthefull post.... The industry has been ruined from within, i've never witnessed so many people hell bent on putting themselves out of work particularly regarding the use of cars, comming in early etc.... Like you say also RM could do whatever they want now with us due to the massive split in the union, who decided to back the employer instead of it's payasters the employees