Delivery supplement on your day off??

[maisymoo04]

ta blue terrier just read that way forward

[Big Daz]

Surley with a decent basic pay rate there would be no need for extras?

So why is there not a decent wage? We don't negotiate our own pay rises, which have been pitiful for the last few years whilst inflation rages and energy prices have rocketed, what we get is a tightening of the belt and a negotiating body that hasn't made any inroads into pay and conditions for years, at least not in the right direction.

Because there is a obsession with add on to basic pay (supplements, DEFN AREA and allowances)

Whats so wrong with basic pay set at £400 and pay that to all OPGs regardless of the job they do? Then comes the argument well I do this so I should have a allowance for it or I have extra responsibilty so I should have a allowance.

Plenty of different OPG tasks in RML, why not pay them all the same and you pick a job because you like it and not because it gets you a few extra pennies?

[dvbuk55]

Surley with a decent basic pay rate there would be no need for extras?

So why is there not a decent wage? We don't negotiate our own pay rises, which have been pitiful for the last few years whilst inflation rages and energy prices have rocketed, what we get is a tightening of the belt and a negotiating body that hasn't made any inroads into pay and conditions for years, at least not in the right direction.

Because there is a obsession with add on to basic pay (supplements, DEFN AREA and allowances)

Whats so wrong with basic pay set at £400 and pay that to all OPGs regardless of the job they do? Then comes the argument well I do this so I should have a allowance for it or I have extra responsibilty so I should have a allowance.

Plenty of different OPG tasks in RML, why not pay them all the same and you pick a job because you like it and not because it gets you a few extra pennies?

I'd not argue with that BD, of course I do deserve more because

[Lincox]

I think someone mentioned discrimination. I believe there is a case for discrimination against part time workers in Royal Mail with the regulations surrounding the Delivery Supplement. The Trade Union Movement wage war against discrimination in the workplace and here we have the CWU actively creating discrimination in the workplace by agreeing to this obscenity whereby two individuals doing exactly the same job, working the same hours, but one has a part time contract and the other a full time contract. The full timer is paid more money. This is discrimination in the same degree that women in some places of work are discriminated against by being paid less for the same job as their male counterparts. The CWU should hang their heads in shame.

[Lincox]

Similarly is it not an obscenity that a part time worker doing more hours than his contract ,will only be paid his contracted hours when he is on holiday or off sick. Why Dingo, are these anomolies not being put right. Surely we pay our union dues to pay for professionals to negotiate fair and equitable contracts.

[mucker]

I wouldn't worry about your allowances too much, the way the CWU is treating the grass-root member, ALL allowances & payments will soon be gone.

And on top of this they will tell you that it is good for you.

Maybe if the upper levels of the CWU had to live on an OPG's wage, they wouldn't be so ready to give up the little amounts of money in allowances & D2D's that makes the difference to a working mans wages

Thanks to the "super deals" that the CWU have managed to strike with RM , I am 2K DOWN in the past 2 years.

Still, we must be greatful

maybe our top level officials,would like to post detail's of their salary's for last year

Well they do - it's about 100k - with additional perks - not much different to us really

you almost had me going then you little tinker you

[Carnoustie]

I think someone mentioned discrimination. I believe there is a case for discrimination against part time workers in Royal Mail with the regulations surrounding the Delivery Supplement. The Trade Union Movement wage war against discrimination in the workplace and here we have the CWU actively creating discrimination in the workplace by agreeing to this obscenity whereby two individuals doing exactly the same job, working the same hours, but one has a part time contract and the other a full time contract. The full timer is paid more money. This is discrimination in the same degree that women in some places of work are discriminated against by being paid less for the same job as their male counterparts. The CWU should hang their heads in shame.

[Martin Walsh]

People are once again missing the point the supplement is a permanent addition to basic pay and if you areon 40 hours or 39 hours if you have done a sequencing revison then you recieve the full timers rate of pay and the full supplement. If a full timer works overtime he or she does not recieve more of a supplement as the full rate is £20.60 , or more night allowance or shift allowance all they recieve is either the overtime rate or the SA rate for the hours they have worked.

If you are an 30 hour contract or a 20 hour contract works their conditoned hours they recieve the hourly rate of pay according to their contracted hours. In addition they recieve the pro rate to their hours the supplement. If they deciede to work more hours then they recieve the hourly rate of pay up to 40 hours and then overtime over and above 40 hours but they do not recieve an additional share of the supplement. In the same way they do not recive the same share of annual leave or indeed have to pay more pension contributions for working above their conditoned hours.

What I want to know is if part timers are working on a regular basis over an above their hours why are we not arguing locally to have their contracts amended to ensure that they are on more hours ?

[gb93]

People are once again missing the point the supplement is a permanent addition to basic pay and if you areon 40 hours or 39 hours if you have done a sequencing revison then you recieve the full timers rate of pay and the full supplement. If a full timer works overtime he or she does not recieve more of a supplement as the full rate is £20.60 , or more night allowance or shift allowance all they recieve is either the overtime rate or the SA rate for the hours they have worked.

If you are an 30 hour contract or a 20 hour contract works their conditoned hours they recieve the hourly rate of pay according to their contracted hours. In addition they recieve the pro rate to their hours the supplement. If they deciede to work more hours then they recieve the hourly rate of pay up to 40 hours and then overtime over and above 40 hours but they do not recieve an additional share of the supplement. In the same way they do not recive the same share of annual leave or indeed have to pay more pension contributions for working above their conditoned hours.

What I want to know is if part timers are working on a regular basis over an above their hours why are we not arguing locally to have their contracts amended to ensure that they are on more hours ?

Dingo you are wasting your time explaining things to some people on here.
And ask them to do something constructive about their problems is a complete waste when they can just come on here and complain about everything and blame everybody else but themselves for it.

[Lincox]

If you are on a 40/39 hour contract and do overtime, we understand that you are not entitled to any further delivery supplement. However the fact remains that it is an act of discrimination that a part time contract that then works 40 hours in a week. ie does the same hours as a full timer, is not paid the full delivery supplement for that week. If the part timer does 45 hours he can only expect the full rate ie £20.60. So Dingo and GBT less of the condescending comments and start working for fair and equitable working practices, and respect that we do have fair ans sensible comments to make on this forum.

[Martin Walsh]

Lincox your wrong if a full timer is on unpaid special leave there will lose the supplement pro rata to the days they are off , it also applies to if an indivdual takes industrial action.

A part timer recieves the supplement to the hours they are contracted to work at. If they choose to work above their contracted hours they do it on a voluntary basis and therefore they recieve the going rate they do not recieve overtime until they work 40 hours they only recieve the hourly rate. They do not recive more leave , more london weighting , more monthly bonus , more RRIS or have to pay more pension costs for working more hours,

It is not discrimination.

[Lincox]

Dingo, as you are well aware, many part timers, do part time hours because Royal Mail will not issue them with full time contracts, but are very happy for them to work full time hours, and if they didn,t many DOs would not be able to operate efficiently if at all. It is total discrimination when an employer has a two tier wage structure. One for those on full time hours, and one for those on part time hours. You are also aware the CWU were at the forefront of discrimination against agency workers, yet cannot agree a fair and equitable pay structure for direct royal mail staff.

[fishtank]

It is true Lincox, what dingo doesn't realise is that many part-timers supplement their hours with extra outdoor delivery work.
It is very difficult to translate those extra hours into full-time jobs without the indoor work to go with it and the IWT and the introduction of Walk sequenced mail and walk sorted flats means that the indoor element is shrinking constantly.
The 8 hours may be there....if you want to or are capable of delivering for 7 hours of it.
It's not just a case of...he worked 40 hours last week so there must be a full-time job for him.

[woofwoof]

Lincox your wrong if a full timer is on unpaid special leave there will lose the supplement pro rata to the days they are off , it also applies to if an indivdual takes industrial action.

A part timer recieves the supplement to the hours they are contracted to work at. If they choose to work above their contracted hours they do it on a voluntary basis and therefore they recieve the going rate they do not recieve overtime until they work 40 hours they only recieve the hourly rate. They do not recive more leave , more london weighting , more monthly bonus , more RRIS or have to pay more pension costs for working more hours,

It is not discrimination.

but if i am part time and a leave reserve doing a 40 hour week duty i must be entitled to the full supplement this issue is not about me working a day off or helping the dom cover a part of a delivery on overtime its about me covering a full time member of staff for the week as it is my job to do this

[fishtank]

but if i am part time and a leave reserve doing a 40 hour week duty i must be entitled to the full supplement this issue is not about me working a day off or helping the dom cover a part of a delivery on overtime its about me covering a full time member of staff for the week as it is my job to do this

Do you work the same hours as the full-timer you cover and do you cover their indoor work?