Delivery Walk Speeds

[Martin Walsh]

Ricky and stoke are you reps ? If you are the 6 step process allows for a joint process.

If the rep is not happy with the information then he does not go forward from step 2 of the 6 stage process.What that states is that the accuracy of the data is to be reviewed before any detailed duty changes are devloped.

The second stage of the process also states that key data , including overall traffic levels ,door to door and the breakdown of the delivery routes for the revison is gathered and checked an confirmed.

Equally when in phase 3 of the six step process duties are first produced you do not agree them at this stage instead you understand the local factors and if you have been to a revison workshop meeting and seen the DVD you will know it is at this stage that local amendments can be made to the walks as they might have missed basements out or that the duty is not designed right.

It is only at step 4 that you agree the duties providing your satisified with the process and the duties and that they are accurate.

Now in step 1 you agree the aims and objectives of the revison , if your at 70BSI then you will agree what you believe is a reasonable step along the process, it may be 80 BSi in the first revison therefore both the IWT and Geo route will be set at 80 for the revison process. In fact you could have that level on a daily basis.

I am fed up with people coming on here saying my DOM has said this or he is not listening to this. Well quite frankly he is not then you dont agree the process and therefore he cannot get to stage 4 whcih is when the duties come out.

Most of you have criticised the national deployment and regional deployment process which came out last week which puts in place a monitoring system which will ensure both sides are deploying the agreement at local level in the way it was agreed.

If your delivery office manager or the planner is not abiding by the agreed process then your office will come under the spotlight. But for god sake dont come on here moaning unless you have the backbone to challenge your DOM and if he refuses to abide by the six step process then flag it up and dont agree the aims and objectives of the revison.

If you are a local rep then insist on some IWT training. All the area reps in London have had IWT training and a lot of local reps are going on the iwt course this week and next. Remember all Delivery Office managers have been on this course and your area rep should get your the opportunity.

[Big Daz]

My ADR has told me I will be trained on all the tools at my disposal

[drb]

I think if your are beng forced to input this stuff Stokes,you really need to flag it up. Your argument should always be, "who best knows the walk?". If you have already done a revision,was it with the new version of IWT? (6.2.5)

If it was a DBP,(Delivery Best Practice) revision then I have always said,(and any senior manager would agree). Revisions ARE NOT to be based on budget but efficiency. If the answer is yes then your walks are shite. In that the parameters are based on budget.

In terms of absorption,outdoor absorption would be less sensitive.This means that the Geo Route 2008 now has you going to every house,there-fore your indoor would be more receptive. You now have to input manually, the callers,RLE,Vehicle Checks,Town Corner cleardown,BR's. I must say the Geo Route 2008 ain't bad.It's WHAT YOU PUT IN IT. s**t IN s**t OUT.

What scares me is the Duty Modeling Tool. It actually gives you a potential head count loss. Remember the mail can be counted manually anytime you want per walk as well as any street you want to test. These tools are that "full on" that if they say the mail is falling you could end up with not one revision in a year but two.revised all from these tools.

Packets may be our saving grace here as it is certainly a growth mail stream as well as the s**t load of D2D coming. Also please remember that the CDV duties,if the 2 walks don't fit in...it don't go!

It looks like there are a lot of people on here saying "My DOM said this" and "My DOM is doing that" and "We've been told".

ENOUGH!!!

Get on board.Find out what your rep is doing.Get your area reps number.Get his email. ANYTHING!

PS : Everything you need for a show down with your DOM is on this site,via the Download Section,(http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... m.php?f=36" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)...and I mean EVERYTHING!

[DGP1]

My ADR has told me I will be trained on all the tools at my disposal

I'm sure Mrs Big Daz will be happy

[ashadd]

What about FATIGUE...????? Wasnt that meant to be taken into consideration ? And when does it kick in? is near the end of your walk ,when you are going slower, or towards the end of the week when you are f****d..??

[viking]

So what do they do in San Francisco?
On their undulating hills?
(The Streets of San Francisco - now that was classic tv.)

Just make sure this is the bit of your delivery where you have to leave it to cut off so then one of your managers have to take it out

[drb]

PS : Everything you need for a show down with your DOM is on this site,via the Download Section,(viewforum.php?f=36)...and I mean EVERYTHING!

[pickaname]

This is all BOLLOCKS at the end of the day.

If the walk is too big Im cutting off or claiming.

Balls to all these bullshit figures.

[drb]

Pickname. We are about to embark on a political minefield in terms of "coalition goverment" and all that. Look at the timing of this agreement. 1 Billion put in for starters. THEN an election in which labour where bound to lose. Look at the timing of the ballot deadline. Look at the timing of the election. It's not bollocks! It's about us. (I might as well talk to myself)....Ridiculous!!!!!!!!

[General Mannerheim]

What about FATIGUE...????? Wasnt that meant to be taken into consideration ? And when does it kick in? is near the end of your walk ,when you are going slower, or towards the end of the week when you are f****d..??

That is a very good question,and one that hasn't been answered.

[POSTMAN]

Ok peeps calm down,to the non reps in here,talk to your rep make sure they are up to speed,chances are a lot of you are nowhere near a revision yet anyway.

To the reps on here,make sure you're up to speed,contact your ADR if you feel out of your depth.

Those who are due or are having revisions now,same as above.

Chill guys,chill.

All the docs you need are in the 'global announcement',also the 6 step process is in there,which is here...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 42&t=28089" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[drb]

Ok Postman....Deep Breath!!!! I will try!!! ha ha!!

PS : Many Thanks For All Your Hard Work

[Lincox]

I also believe this is an absolute load of tosh, and again instigated by people justifying their existence. There is no computer system in the world ,and that includes the human brain, that can narrow a walk down to a narrow band of time. There are just too many variables, many of which have been highlighted, and many more that have not, including how the delivery person is actually feeling on the day, particularly bearing in mind the abysmal sickness procedures and how these terrify individuals in to work, when in fact they should not be at work. They can set as many parameters as they want, but the one deciding factor is your daily contracted hours. Work to those and by all means if they play ball and are prepared to pay overtime on busy days,and you are prepared to do it, then fair enough. If they won,t and the works too much, then throw whats left back at them, and as managers it is their responsibility to make sure that mail is delivered. We are not paid enough to worry about whether all the mail gets delivered or not. Let them do the worrying. Have a worry free working life.

[drb]

Lincox, I totally agree. However the majority of our workforce continue to push the boundaries of PC parameters. Let's try and put it a nicer way :

Postman : "Ok there's 8 hours work sitting in my frame...I need to do it 6 hours"

Lino: OK ,If you can't complete..take your meal relief

Postman : OK...I will complete..no problem

PS : The common message to DOM's are ..."Would these people behave at work like they do at home?"

[stokes11eg]

Hi Dingo--No I'm not a rep.I'll try and br brief here, but you still do not seem to be able to accept that in a large number of offices, these agreements are not adhered too, not only by the Managment, but by the reps(some of them anyway!)
Like it or not, Most Managers have no intention of sticking to the spirit of the agreement, and very sadly, a high number of reps do what the management say. People have a right to moan, when they see these theoretical agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. For me, the saddest part in all this is the underlying belief, not just amongst Management but by yourself and other Union high bods, that a lot ofthese changes are being brought in because we are all lazy and need to work to our time, etc, most posties have always worked long and hard, and not chased time! The bottom line is most of these walks are just not do-able now--
Time the Unions started to listen to what we are saying now,and not keep comong back and suggesting wew are all in the wrong!