Cars on delivery / flyers / job and finish etc

[andy2007]

The problem is, that those who're "jumping on you" can see, and have even experienced the misery of covering a car user's duty, when they refuse to follow suit. There have been numerous cases of people being put under emense pressure by their Managers, to match the delivery times achieved by a car user. When they're doing the job properly.

I doubt (though I can't be certain) that anyone doesn't appreciate the inconvenience, and delays caused by not using a car. Particularly in areas like yours. But transport should be PROVIDED by your DO. Whether it's a van, conveyance, a bike, or whatever.

Now I'm not condoning the way some people talk to (or post about) car users. But I can understand where they're coming from. Can't you?

[POSTMAN]

Funny as f**k theses threads,gonna miss them,can't see the wood for the trees you car users,too much exhaust fumes me thinks.

[andy2007]

I think it's more a case of them not really understanding how much harm they do to anyone else doing their duty. Either as holiday/sick cover, or if they change duties. They're just not thinking it through.

[Judgee]

I think it's more a case of them not really understanding how much harm they do to anyone else doing their duty. Either as holiday/sick cover, or if they change duties. They're just not thinking it through.

Ok so this is an example of the point I was trying (albeit badly it seems) to make. Instead of aiming your anger and frustration at car drivers like its thier fault, aim it at the managers its them putting pressure on people to complete walks, they are the ones in the wrong.

Also wouldn't hurt if a few people grew some balls and stood up to management instead of crying about car users

I have covered duties normally done by car drivers and made them drop me off in the van with bags to follow. I have also cut off from these walks from time to time and had management flapping around like headless chickens when I have done so. All you have to do is laugh at thier threats as they can't do anything to you.... so stop fecking crying!

What does more harm, people using cars or gutless wonders cowering away from management using bullyboy tactics?

[stokes11eg]

AND--let's remember the Union ok'd the use of cars, something I think a lot of people forget. if it had not been sancioned in the first place, there would be no problem.

[NWpostie]

AND--let's remember the Union ok'd the use of cars, something I think a lot of people forget. if it had not been sancioned in the first place, there would be no problem.

NO they didn't it was always Union policy not to use Cars, you must be thinking of the insurance bond arrangement, which was looked over by the Union and approved, only so to protect the drivers interests, after all
the Union's first and foremost role is to protect the interest of its members even it is only to protect them from their own stupidity.

[fishtank]

I think it's more a case of them not really understanding how much harm they do to anyone else doing their duty. Either as holiday/sick cover, or if they change duties. They're just not thinking it through.

Ok so this is an example of the point I was trying (albeit badly it seems) to make. Instead of aiming your anger and frustration at car drivers like its thier fault, aim it at the managers its them putting pressure on people to complete walks, they are the ones in the wrong.

In the wrong Judgee?...only from our point of view...from their point of view they are doing exactly what they are paid to do,get the job done for the lowest possible cost to the business.Anyone who has any daft notions that managers have any other reason for existence needs their head examining but it's not our job to deliver savings despite what some think.
If members are dumb-assed enough to help managers cut hours from an office who is the most to blame?

[stokes11eg]

AND--let's remember the Union ok'd the use of cars, something I think a lot of people forget. if it had not been sancioned in the first place, there would be no problem.

NO they didn't it was always Union policy not to use Cars, you must be thinking of the insurance bond arrangement, which was looked over by the Union and approved, only so to protect the drivers interests, after all
the Union's first and foremost role is to protect the interest of its members even it is only to protect them from their own stupidity.

I was actually in on a meeting, where, after a trial run on the ban the Union gave their blessing to the use of cars being allowed again! As I say, I do not use my car. but. lets be honest here, the cars are still being used at present, because the unions have agreed to it until all those C.D.V. are brought in. I have also been saddened to witness some of those who use their cars being quietly targeted by reps, who on the one hand, agree with Management they can be used, and putting another face on to those who use them. If the union, and managment want to stop the use of cars, quite simply, stop it now! not in 1,2,-or three years when it suits R/M.Although not agreeing with the use of cars, I find all the baying for blood that some members have for those who use them almost tantamount to bullying and harrassment---
not a pretty sight.

[POSTMAN]

AND--let's remember the Union ok'd the use of cars, something I think a lot of people forget. if it had not been sancioned in the first place, there would be no problem.

NO they didn't it was always Union policy not to use Cars, you must be thinking of the insurance bond arrangement, which was looked over by the Union and approved, only so to protect the drivers interests, after all
the Union's first and foremost role is to protect the interest of its members even it is only to protect them from their own stupidity.

Same thing tbf,the union okayed the new bond which meant that instead of just your 1st bag in the car you could load the boot up with the full walk.
Only in RM would a union sanction such a thing!

So,on on hand we have got,'Please please do the job properly coleagues.'
And on the other,'Don't worry if you don't,you're insured.'

[mclovin]

Bloke at my place uses his car every day and has a fair chunk of lapsing to do every day. He said he wanted his duty tested but not using his car, I said after that will you continue to use your car, yes was the answer. You cant have it both ways I said. He wasnt happy.

I tell him often he wrecked that duty using his car, he doesnt seem to get it.

[stokes11eg]

Thanks for being fair Postman--- it was also the case that part of the deal was in some circumstances you could also take out a workmate in your vehicle. All this was agreed with reps--ergo--Union.
I will say again ,I do not agree with folks using cars, but feel the witch hunt against them by some workmates goes beyond the pale at times, and remember these new starts are told by Management they can use them! so a little gentle persuation and rational explanation against using the cars rather than bullying could work wonders! But, at present, and people forget this, those people that are now trying to opt out of using their cars, are being harrassed by Management.

[brothermagrew]

Text taken from FOI Request 'Plans to end Cycle Deliveries' - (Royal Mail response).

The changes we are making in deliveries involves a number of steps and it is certainly not simply a case of a straightforward switch into vans of those postmen and women who currently use cycles on delivery.

The changes we need to make are being planned in an environmentally responsible way. It’s important to recognise that a postman or woman on foot or on a cycle cannot carry all of the mail they deliver on a typical round. We therefore have to send out replenishment bags of mail in vehicles and often this involves older, more polluting vans, which, in many cases, are the crew buses also used to take our delivery people out to the start of their rounds. Ceasing the operation of replenishment vehicles wil in itself reduce carbon emissions. The new vans which we are now introducing in place of bicycles are smaller and more fuel efficient than the older larger vans that were previously used to replenish our postmen and women while on their rounds. We are also now able to end the practice of thousands of postmen and women using their own private cars on delivery – again, with the activity now carried out by new Royal Mail vehicles, such as the Peugeot Bipper, for example, which produces significantly less carbon than most private cars.

[fishtank]

The changes we need to make are being planned in an environmentally responsible way. It’s important to recognise that a postman or woman on foot or on a cycle cannot carry all of the mail they deliver on a typical round. We therefore have to send out replenishment bags of mail in vehicles and often this involves older, more polluting vans, which, in many cases, are the crew buses also used to take our delivery people out to the start of their rounds. Ceasing the operation of replenishment vehicles wil in itself reduce carbon emissions. The new vans which we are now introducing in place of bicycles are smaller and more fuel efficient than the older larger vans that were previously used to replenish our postmen and women while on their rounds. We are also now able to end the practice of thousands of postmen and women using their own private cars on delivery – again, with the activity now carried out by new Royal Mail vehicles, such as the Peugeot Bipper, for example, which produces significantly less carbon than most private cars.

[brothermagrew]

Tumble Dryer or SPIN

[Phantom]

Yes but are you working from your car? ie storing all the mail in boot?

I have two pouch boxes on my delivery.

The point I'm making though is that we have colleagues roundly jumping on others without giving any thought to the differing circumstances that they may have to face.

And who drops the mail off in these 2 pouch boxes?