Compulsory redundancy at Royal Mail

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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by alecob01 on July 11, 2010 at 04:05PM
At present there is no such thing as compulaory redundancy at Royal Mail. Instead, those who fail the periodic "assessment centres" whereby they essentially have to re-apply for their jobs, are allowed to remain on full pay until they find a new job. So, essentially, they are still employed, they just don't have to do any work! In Chesterfield, where RMG has a major administrative office, there is someone earning £53,000 per year in the IT department, who, due to the above policy, has not done any work for the company since 2003. In order to become profitable and competitive, Royal Mail must be allowed to make people redundant and then stop paying them!

Why the contribution is important
I assume that this situation is due to some kind of deal between the CWU or Unite and the company, but it is frankly preventing RMG from becoming a commercial organisation. It's unfair to customers and the many hardworking employees of the company that such a situation can be allowed to continue.

[viking]

There are a lot of long serving posties who would jump at the chance of being given Redundancy but it seems that RMs policy is to try and kill us off first by giving us unreasonable workloads. Has no one ever questioned before why this individaul working in IT is STILL being paid. WHAT A FARCE.

[not me]

There are a lot of long serving posties who would jump at the chance of being given Redundancy but it seems that RMs policy is to try and kill us off first by giving us unreasonable workloads. Has no one ever questioned before why this individaul working in IT is STILL being paid. WHAT A FARCE.

Id take it tomorow

and did nobody notice the post below?

Gosh if the above is true those who set up this system and those who have continued to support it and defend it are not only due a head check - they should themselves be removed from their castles of power.

Similarly, employees of Royal Mail should sign a contract that requires them to deliver mail whatever the weather. Remember that documentary showing post men helping themselves to money sent in cards and refusing to deliver mail in the snow - weed all of this out

[westlondonpostie]

Think that this may apply at the moment to management,
We were told by a Union Rep that Managers taking EVR is virtualy non existant,
Roayl Mail has been aware for some time that they are grossly over staffed where management are concerned, what with all the Office closures that have happened and the ones that are planned for the future, some Offices have 5-6 Managers on £50k doing nothing all day.
Cronyism is rife, in certain Areas where Area Managers have been exagerating the abilities of lower rank Managers who are all to eager to yes sir no sir to their Lord & Master.

[Darren Bent]

Report them to Tory/Lib Dem red tape watchdog as they are looking to cut cost.

[ronnie6]

I doubt very much whether this is true and, if it is, you may wonder why the company doesn't a) offer the person concerned voluntary redundancy or b) use the person to fill one of the many vacancies which appear to exist in this department.

[La Poste]

All these extra managers do is stand around and pick on postmen, it's become a competition as to who can nab a postie for the smallest of misdemanors, it's a joke and when there is any real work or decision making to do they all run off and sit in the office and laugh at each others cr@p jokes.
I'm really looking forward to this day of reckoning. There's way to many managers in Royal mail.

I doubt very much whether this is true and, if it is, you may wonder why the company doesn't a) offer the person concerned voluntary redundancy or b) use the person to fill one of the many vacancies which appear to exist in this department.

There are no vacancies and managers will not take VR because they know damn well they could never get a job as cushy and well paid as at the post office.
Most managers have no skills at all. It's the old Royal mail saying, managers become managers because they can't hack being a postman.

[ronnie6]

All these extra managers do is stand around and pick on postmen, it's become a competition as to who can nab a postie for the smallest of misdemanors, it's a joke and when there is any real work or decision making to do they all run off and sit in the office and laugh at each others cr@p jokes.
I'm really looking forward to this day of reckoning. There's way to many managers in Royal mail.

I doubt very much whether this is true and, if it is, you may wonder why the company doesn't a) offer the person concerned voluntary redundancy or b) use the person to fill one of the many vacancies which appear to exist in this department.

There are no vacancies and managers will not take VR because they know damn well they could never get a job as cushy and well paid as at the post office.
Most managers have no skills at all. It's the old Royal mail saying, managers become managers because they can't hack being a postman.

I don't think you read my post. The original post mentioned a manager from the IT department. It's unlikely that you would be in the IT department without a skill of some sort (albeit a technical one) and you certainly won't be standing around picking on postmen. As to vacancies, I am reliably informed that this particular department is carrying many vacancies and also employing many contractors. I also suspect, if the story is true, that a VR offer has not been made as it probably doesn't cost in thus leading to the alleged impasse. Seven years without doing any work at all is a very long time and I feel sure the business would have pursued a number of avenues to resolve this.

[La Poste]

I don't think you read my post. .

True enough, my observation of management was more of a general one as viewed from the shop floor.

[andy2007]

Why don't they just stick these surplus managers back in a Blue Shirt. It might change the attitudes of some of our Managers, if they thought there was a risk of that happening!

[norbert]

I'd take Osborne's Government site with a very large pinch of salt , at best - it's a hobby horse site , at the worst it's a nutter magnet beyond parody . Probably quite deliberate too ? . It seems like the Condemns are trying to soften people up for the old three card trick ? .

Re Royal Mail being too top heavy with managers and Crozier creating an extra two layers of management - the problem with these nutter magnets is that bad ideas drive out good ones . TBH I do think that poster is a RM Senior or Middle Manager looking for brownie points as they lay it on too thick , it smacks of a Privatisation Agenda - i.e. the staff are all in the wrong and everything is the union's fault ......well of course it is ! & RM's Senior management are beyond reproach

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[baldrick]

Would the Con-Dem Coalition take any notice if millions of trade-unionists went
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[norbert]

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[chunk]

RM don't make MC workers redundant they just offer them jobs at the new MC 30+
miles away.

[dvbuk55]

The truth of the matter is that there is a surfeit of Managers. And as someone quite rightly said, they have become accustomed to the good life without doing any work - most units could run quite comfortably without the management structure IF the right manning levels were maintained. Most managers spend their time trying to get people to cover duties either lapsed or simply not assigned because there isn't enough staff.

Look at the number of "planners" who are quite senior managers doing a job totally devoid of any concern BECAUSE they aren't directly involved with the implementation of the process - merely chattering away ten to the dozen for a couple of days to others who also aren't going to be involved in the implementation.

These Managers aren't going to leave of their own accord, they are too well paid, too under-worked, too under qualified to earn anything like the money they earn at RM. Look how many have gone down with stress when they are now being asked to actually perform.