New Delivery methods Q&As

[POSTMAN]

Postman

I still got these most of which i never posted as, i didnt think people would be interesed.
If you want any tell me and i will post them.

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Hi interesed in Duty Builder, DM Training Tracker Tool ,Removel of Private cars Policy .

Think i have already posted them in 2010 beyond, but i think Tweebs moved them to downloads

See the new announcement,2 are in there,the tracker tool does not look like it's on the site...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... =7&t=28277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EDIT:The tracker one is in there now as well.

[Geezer]

I have now had time to put all the above in downloads and have asked Postman to just delete any he thinks are not of interest.
I Think he means the Trainer Plan Tracker Tool which is in there.

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[dvbuk55]

Yes I have a question that does not seem to be adequately covered by the Q&A sessions.

Private cars on delivery. Now as I understood the original statement there would be NO cars on delivery and the insurance cover would be rescinded in order to facilitate that restriction.

Now, however, there seems to be a "grey" area surrounding the issue and I wonder if anyone can throw any light on this issue, especially in an official capacity.

I would have thought it was a black or white answer, cars are banned, cars aren't banned, insurance is withdrawn, insurance isn't withdrawn.

Which is it to be under the new duty structure?

[POSTMAN]

Yes I have a question that does not seem to be adequately covered by the Q&A sessions.

Private cars on delivery. Now as I understood the original statement there would be NO cars on delivery and the insurance cover would be rescinded in order to facilitate that restriction.

Now, however, there seems to be a "grey" area surrounding the issue and I wonder if anyone can throw any light on this issue, especially in an official capacity.

I would have thought it was a black or white answer, cars are banned, cars aren't banned, insurance is withdrawn, insurance isn't withdrawn.

Which is it to be under the new duty structure?

Interesting,where's the grey issue,can you copy/paste it.

[fishtank]

Interesting,where's the grey issue,can you copy/paste it.

What isolated cases may exist where Royal Mail would retain private car use?

There may be a limited number of cases where it is suitable for an individual to retain their private car for use on delivery. DOMs may exceptionally need to address short term operational issues or ongoing health problems typically covered within DDA (for example, where the use of a personally adapted vehicle presents a more suitable option for the individual and supports inclusivity in the workplace). All cases will be assessed on an individual basis.

Maybe this is what he means.
I can understand his worries as it's a pretty big loophole.
what's short term?....and what are operational issues?

[Big Daz]

Short term; logic dictates itshould be no more than a few days to either to get OMV repaired or obtain a hire van.

Operational issues; again logic dictates it to be a OMV not avaialable due to fault/not being road worthy. Also DDA is given as a reason.

[fishtank]

Short term; logic dictates itshould be no more than a few days to either to get OMV repaired or obtain a hire van.

Operational issues; again logic dictates it to be a OMV not avaialable due to fault/not being road worthy. Also DDA is given as a reason.

Daz...you can hire a van and have it on site in 30mins...maybe an hour tops.
I'm not interested in DDA,that's a seperate issue and not subject to the whims of a manager i'm more interested in the "we can't find a van,just take your car" kind of operational issue.

[dvbuk55]

Interesting,where's the grey issue,can you copy/paste it.

What isolated cases may exist where Royal Mail would retain private car use?

There may be a limited number of cases where it is suitable for an individual to retain their private car for use on delivery. DOMs may exceptionally need to address short term operational issues or ongoing health problems typically covered within DDA (for example, where the use of a personally adapted vehicle presents a more suitable option for the individual and supports inclusivity in the workplace). All cases will be assessed on an individual basis.

Maybe this is what he means.
I can understand his worries as it's a pretty big loophole.
what's short term?....and what are operational issues?

Spot on FT. What are and how long are operational issues in force? This is a pearler though about DDA "supports inclusivity in the workplace" - now correct me if I'm wrong but you have postie A being told he has to park somewhere else, leave his car and pair up with a, shall we say less than perfect, comrade to do a park and loop duty and postie B who keeps his parking spot and goes out in his car just like he did before.................................. that somehow doesn't quite gel with inclusivity to my mind but who knows maybe others are more tolerant than me.


Another grey area - overtime - if transport is not available would a person brought in on overtime be expected to use his own vehicle? Would Royal Mail insurance still be availalble? If so - why?

[POSTMAN]

Interesting,where's the grey issue,can you copy/paste it.

What isolated cases may exist where Royal Mail would retain private car use?

There may be a limited number of cases where it is suitable for an individual to retain their private car for use on delivery. DOMs may exceptionally need to address short term operational issues or ongoing health problems typically covered within DDA (for example, where the use of a personally adapted vehicle presents a more suitable option for the individual and supports inclusivity in the workplace). All cases will be assessed on an individual basis.

Maybe this is what he means.
I can understand his worries as it's a pretty big loophole.
what's short term?....and what are operational issues?

Spot on FT. What are and how long are operational issues in force? This is a pearler though about DDA "supports inclusivity in the workplace" - now correct me if I'm wrong but you have postie A being told he has to park somewhere else, leave his car and pair up with a, shall we say less than perfect, comrade to do a park and loop duty and postie B who keeps his parking spot and goes out in his car just like he did before.................................. that somehow doesn't quite gel with inclusivity to my mind but who knows maybe others are more tolerant than me.


Another grey area - overtime - if transport is not available would a person brought in on overtime be expected to use his own vehicle? Would Royal Mail insurance still be availalble? If so - why?

Gotcha,well spotted.
It's never black and white with this firm is it!

[dvbuk55]

Short term; logic dictates itshould be no more than a few days to either to get OMV repaired or obtain a hire van.

Operational issues; again logic dictates it to be a OMV not avaialable due to fault/not being road worthy. Also DDA is given as a reason.

Logic? Well Mr Spock I don't think logic has played any part in this agreement. I think it is a HUGE loophole which will be misused and abused by both parties whenever they can get away with it.

DDA? Only exceptional circumstances and documented cases should be allowed and definitely only by agreement when there are absolutely NO other avenues.

[pickaname]

Private Cars should be banned completely.

No if buts or maybes.

This leaves the door open to abuse.

It should be slammed shut.

Why isnt the CWU on this like flies to s**t?

[dvbuk55]

Private Cars should be banned completely.

No if buts or maybes.

This leaves the door open to abuse.

It should be slammed shut.

Why isnt the CWU on this like flies to s**t?

Because they are signatory's to the deal and cannot be seen to come down on the side of the very people who pay their wages.

[andy2007]

Why not?
The Managers are regularly seen to come down on the side of those who pay their wages, don't they?

[fishtank]

Why not?
The Managers are regularly seen to come down on the side of those who pay their wages, don't they?

CWU Postal or more importantly "the leaders of" have invested everything in this deal.
It's integrity,it's ability to be taken seriously.....it's future financial stability are all tied up in Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond.
It cannot fail or they fail and that is a situation none of those who do little but talk are prepared to contemplate.
Soooo.....How much "rocking of the boat" do you expect to happen Andy?

[andy2007]

It depends on who's doing the rocking. Personally, I don't think that Striking would do much good, for preventing privatisation. It hasn't worked for anyone else, has it?
But if there are people who want to go down that route. Then there's little that HQ can do to prevent a Ballot, because if they're inundated with requests, they'd be forced to comply. However: They'd probably give in to the first suggested deal from RM, in order to save face. Which is the Achillies Heel in the process.

But that doesn't mean that we can't effectively fight privatisation. Striking isn't the only weapon in our arsenal you know. There's campaigning, for example. Particularly if we make a point of countering all the propoganda that will inevitably come from RM and ConDem (never was there a more appropriate name for a Government! ). Now I'm not suggesting that we resort to propoganda too. For one thing, I don't think there's any need. The facts about what it would mean, will probably be enough. Particularly when there's inevitably going to be so much propoganda from the other side.