Menu Of Duty Options.. in your office is it happening?

[Geezer]

Dingo I ask again.

What if, after you have picked the attendance pattern that best suits you, you miss out after a repick and end up doing a shift that is not acceptable to you??

You cant possibly base everything around certain types of attendance then have a repick of new duties where others may change their mind, how can that possibly work??

Having asked around today people are saying if theyre not happy with the duty options then they'll change their mind on the repick and choose a different duty option to the one they stated in the preference exercise.

To me its all a bloody farce.

Mclovin

Might be of help http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=28194

[gazzariah]

Was told last week in Work Time Bullshit that our section is going to be used as a guinea pig for the Park and Loop fiasco and new way of getting shafted.
Somebody asked does that mean we will be working longer Saturdays in September when Park and Loop comes in...err yes it does...well what about these 1in 4 Saturdays off then do we get those as well?......Errr it's not been sorted out yet but you will probably have to wait until ALL the office is doing Park and Loop,probably early next year.
Yeah RM just pick the parts you want as usual, any benefit us grunts gets can wait.

Where's the union's help in your office then. They lead us into this shite.

the reps have all gone on a long holiday.

[Martin Walsh]

Mclovin the whole point of doing the survey is to attempt to ensure that if possible you have the different duties that people want.

That should mean that if 6 staff want a 4 day week that you have 4 x 4 day week duties plus 2 x 4 day rest day covers.

The aim then is that all staff get what they want. However it will depend on what geo route , delivery methods , IWT , the changes to the workplan , sequencing and when your batch of work is due.

[Martin Walsh]

Dingo, might i suggest you cease to insult me and my views.

Suggesting i have a chip on my shoulder isnt wholly correct.

I would say it was more of a potato since I and thousands of others got sold down the river and shat on yet again by the 'winner and losers' union.

Good luck surviving privatisation, though

When the Governement sell the business to the workforce you'll be stiching up the owners of the business.

Cant you see? Govt sell business to the staff - staff ditch CWU as they own the business.

Writing is on the wall mate.

Pickaname you surely are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that simply giving staff some shares means that they own the business and they then think they will be running the organisation and then will leave the CWU.

If and its a big if , the government go down the John Lewis type of privatisation model which was Allan Leighton`s perfered model in 2004/5 which the CWU defeated then it will be a stepping stone to full privatisation.

Now you may think privatisation is great but back in 1984 when British telcom was priviatised by 49% first off with staff shares they had appoxmately 130 000 staff . Now they have 55 000 and work has been contracted out and a whole range of terms and conditions have been reduced. Oh by the way giving BT staff shares did not mean that they trusted the company as in 1987 they had almost two weeks out on strike.

The John Lewis type or in fact any type of sell off or priviatisation is designed not to help the workers but to ensure that staff sell their shares onto either the big share holders or the senior managers so they can make more money at the expense of the workforce. If you dont believe me ask the BT workforce if they still have shares and if they have had to ballot to get a fair deal

[dvbuk55]

Mclovin the whole point of doing the survey is to attempt to ensure that if possible you have the different duties that people want.

That should mean that if 6 staff want a 4 day week that you have 4 x 4 day week duties plus 2 x 4 day rest day covers.

The aim then is that all staff get what they want. However it will depend on what geo route , delivery methods , IWT , the changes to the workplan , sequencing and when your batch of work is due.

And if you have 9 or 11 or 3 and the obvious means someone is going to be disappointed on seniority grounds.................................. things don't always fit as you would like it does it?

[BELIAL]

Dingo, might i suggest you cease to insult me and my views.

Suggesting i have a chip on my shoulder isnt wholly correct.

I would say it was more of a potato since I and thousands of others got sold down the river and shat on yet again by the 'winner and losers' union.

Good luck surviving privatisation, though

When the Governement sell the business to the workforce you'll be stiching up the owners of the business.

Cant you see? Govt sell business to the staff - staff ditch CWU as they own the business.

Writing is on the wall mate.

Pickaname you surely are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that simply giving staff some shares means that they own the business and they then think they will be running the organisation and then will leave the CWU.

If and its a big if , the government go down the John Lewis type of privatisation model which was Allan Leighton`s perfered model in 2004/5 which the CWU defeated then it will be a stepping stone to full privatisation.

Now you may think privatisation is great but back in 1984 when British telcom was priviatised by 49% first off with staff shares they had appoxmately 130 000 staff . Now they have 55 000 and work has been contracted out and a whole range of terms and conditions have been reduced. Oh by the way giving BT staff shares did not mean that they trusted the company as in 1987 they had almost two weeks out on strike.

The John Lewis type or in fact any type of sell off or priviatisation is designed not to help the workers but to ensure that staff sell their shares onto either the big share holders or the senior managers so they can make more money at the expense of the workforce. If you dont believe me ask the BT workforce if they still have shares and if they have had to ballot to get a fair deal

And on a personal note ,I would add that I know of at least 3 BT staff who thought they were quids in when their shares rose to £15 ,then reality kicked in when their shares dropped ;they lost their homes ,and they had to move back in with mum and dad,. Needless to say their opinions have altered

[pickaname]

Dingo, might i suggest you cease to insult me and my views.

Suggesting i have a chip on my shoulder isnt wholly correct.

I would say it was more of a potato since I and thousands of others got sold down the river and shat on yet again by the 'winner and losers' union.

Good luck surviving privatisation, though

When the Governement sell the business to the workforce you'll be stiching up the owners of the business.

Cant you see? Govt sell business to the staff - staff ditch CWU as they own the business.

Writing is on the wall mate.

Pickaname you surely are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that simply giving staff some shares means that they own the business and they then think they will be running the organisation and then will leave the CWU.

If and its a big if , the government go down the John Lewis type of privatisation model which was Allan Leighton`s perfered model in 2004/5 which the CWU defeated then it will be a stepping stone to full privatisation.

Now you may think privatisation is great but back in 1984 when British telcom was priviatised by 49% first off with staff shares they had appoxmately 130 000 staff . Now they have 55 000 and work has been contracted out and a whole range of terms and conditions have been reduced. Oh by the way giving BT staff shares did not mean that they trusted the company as in 1987 they had almost two weeks out on strike.

The John Lewis type or in fact any type of sell off or priviatisation is designed not to help the workers but to ensure that staff sell their shares onto either the big share holders or the senior managers so they can make more money at the expense of the workforce. If you dont believe me ask the BT workforce if they still have shares and if they have had to ballot to get a fair deal

Dont believe this.

The reason the CWU oppose privatisation is that it threatens their existence.

If you dont believe it then why did CWU trade your terms and conditions for RM funding in the last agreement. Its there in black and white.

I know i'd rather have the workforce own the company than have Higson et al raping it every year.

I dont know why Dingo is using BT as an example of John Lewis privatisation - it didnt happen to BT. Better to use the example of John Lewis where the staff are extremely happy and productive.

CWU oppose privatisation because it means their power in the workplace (whats left of it) will be reduced if not eradicated. RM privatisation will see the business split up meaning less members, meaning weaker union.
Dont listen to union people tell you it will mean an erosion of terms and conditions. CWU are doing a grand job of this on their own.

[mclovin]

Dingo, I understand that the preference exercise is to find out what people want.

But what if 2 gusy SAY in the pref exercise, that they want a 10 hour day 4 day week, but then read the new duties and decide they suddenly dont like the look of the duty structure and during the repick choose a 8 hour day 5 day week, therefore leaving 2 duties that no-one chose during the pref exercise to fill by someone who chose something different.

Hardly "what everyone wants" is it.

Surely if they choose say option 1: 10 hour day 4 day week, they are then ONLY allowed to choose from that duty structure and no other, same goes for those that choose Option 2, and so on and so forth.

[pickaname]

Dingo, I understand that the preference exercise is to find out what people want.

But what if 2 gusy SAY in the pref exercise, that they want a 10 hour day 4 day week, but then read the new duties and decide they suddenly dont like the look of the duty structure and during the repick choose a 8 hour day 5 day week, therefore leaving 2 duties that no-one chose during the pref exercise to fill by someone who chose something different.

Hardly "what everyone wants" is it.

Surely if they choose say option 1: 10 hour day 4 day week, they are then ONLY allowed to choose from that duty structure and no other, same goes for those that choose Option 2, and so on and so forth.

Not sure its going to work like this mclovin.

From what i understand a list of options will be presented to the office, you will choose in order of preference.

The most 'votes' for each option is tallyed and the duties are contructed from that.

So if the majority want 4x10 hour days and its on the menu then the office gets it (allegedly)

[mclovin]

We have been told there will be a pref exercise before the duties are constructed.

Im only interested in an 8 hour day 5 day week, 10 hour days are no good.

Saying they want a 10 hour day before the duties are made up, is totally different from seeing what the duty consists of and choosing it in a repick.

I dont think there should be a repick anyway, just go down the seniority list and find out what they would like, then adjust their current duty accordingly.

Whatever is left gets picked by the lower seniority.

[pickaname]

We have been told there will be a pref exercise before the duties are constructed.

Im only interested in an 8 hour day 5 day week, 10 hour days are no good.

Saying they want a 10 hour day before the duties are made up, is totally different from seeing what the duty consists of and choosing it in a repick.

I dont think there should be a repick anyway, just go down the seniority list and find out what they would like, then adjust their current duty accordingly.

Whatever is left gets picked by the lower seniority.

It all depends on when the WSM mail gets to you. If youre last you wont be able to have the ten hour days as the last round will be at around 10am. The menu will be contructed from these factors. Not all options will suit each office.

Its a case of like it or lumps again im afraid m8. If the majority want 10 hours days and its tenable then tough titties.

[mclovin]

We have been told there will be a pref exercise before the duties are constructed.

Im only interested in an 8 hour day 5 day week, 10 hour days are no good.

Saying they want a 10 hour day before the duties are made up, is totally different from seeing what the duty consists of and choosing it in a repick.

I dont think there should be a repick anyway, just go down the seniority list and find out what they would like, then adjust their current duty accordingly.

Whatever is left gets picked by the lower seniority.

It all depends on when the WSM mail gets to you. If youre last you wont be able to have the ten hour days as the last round will be at around 10am. The menu will be contructed from these factors. Not all options will suit each office.

Its a case of like it or lumps again im afraid m8. If the majority want 10 hours days and its tenable then tough titties.

So why we being told there are options, if in fact these options are not available?

I have been told by my gaffer we'll be trying as best we can to get people the individual option THEY want.

10 hour days wont fit in with my childcare, so no, that is NOT an option to me or 35% of the office.

[POSTMAN]

mc,if you go to a 4 day week you will have 2 days off a week,1st 2 weeks they will be in the week,the 3rd week will have just one in the week,with the other 1 being Sat.
Would that not be good for child care,just a thought mate.

[mclovin]

Not if it means working past 2pm, no.

[Geezer]

mclovin

The whole office doesn't have to all go on the same shift pattern.
If you have enough groups of people to do 2, 3 even 4 different patterns and you can show it can be resourced for holiday and sick ect you could have all 4.
This will mean everyone getting involved in Revision talks and coming up with idea's themselves, i have made a decision to get involved in my office not to help RM
but to try and and make sure everyone in the office gets a fair crack of the whip and doesn't just get what's easy for RM and the manager put on them.