Non-Addressed Mail Work Moved Into Normal Workload

[motherhubbard]

What your post amounts to is:
Hooray we are getting less work.
Hooray less revenue will mean they come looking for more cuts.
Hooray.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I used to get £30+ a week for doing my 3 D2D's. Now, on a 24 hour contract I get just over £12. I have the biggest walk in the office; over 650 devlivery points; and this week I'm delivering 5 D2D's for £12.

Sorry but everyone has to get past this belief that the Delivery Supplement is paying you to deliver D2Ds IT IS NOT.

I don't agree with it I think its unfair and it was a backward step but the delivery supplement is an allowance for working in deliveries. Everyone gets paid the same rate for D2Ds £0.00p. If people start to understand this (not accept it thats a different matter entirely) then perhaps we can start making progress on changing the CWUs and RMs mind on the delivery supplement.

To be frank paying everyone in deliveries a Delivery Supplement was a backward step that diminished (IMO) the effort and professionalism of Postal workers. I think only those involved in the last stage of delivery work should get the supplement, in other words the ones that hand the mail over and have to carry or convey it.

In my scenario Drivers and walkers would get the supplement, but locker staff and DOM support would not. I would not begrudge the Callers office getting it as they lost their leadership allowance but I would only pay them it until they received an allowance which recognises the special effort and skills needed to make a Callers Office run smoothly.

[Straight4ward]

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[REDLETTER]

Fishtank wrote:

You are paid in relation to your contracted hours.
This is grossly unfair to part-time members

Not sure I agree with you here, Fishtank. People accept part-time jobs for a variety of reasons. Some may well not want additional hours. Some will have more than one job. Those that choose to work overtime are in the same position as the full-timer who works overtime.

The delivery supplement is paid pro-rata on contracted hours, which seems fair to me.

I have yet to see anyone on here arguing that full-timers who do more than 40 hours a week should receive an increased supplement, yet their position is no different from that of a part-timer who does overtime.

Slightly off topic, but a full time person gets a higher O/T rate than say a 30 hr part time person, who has to work 10 hours to qualify for this higher O/T rate, now is that fair?

Maybe it's just the slack summer months but I seem to have a bit more time to do my "Non-Addressed" Mail, plus with the cover doing his bit I'm taking out less! (until the 4/5 lot appear!) Just wish it wasn't the same Somerfield/Coop cr*p every week, they are thinner than the toilet paper in the DO bogs!

[creedscat]

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[TrueBlueTerrier]

Slightly off topic, but a full time person gets a higher O/T rate than say a 30 hr part time person, who has to work 10 hours to qualify for this higher O/T rate, now is that fair?

Maybe it's just the slack summer months but I seem to have a bit more time to do my "Non-Addressed" Mail, plus with the cover doing his bit I'm taking out less! (until the 4/5 lot appear!) Just wish it wasn't the same Somerfield/Coop cr*p every week, they are thinner than the toilet paper in the DO bogs!

But then you would the situation of a FT doing 40 hours getting less basic wage per hour for his last 10 hours than a PT who decides to do 10 hours OT. Would that be fair.

The fairest system would be to cap OT rates as they are starting at 40 hours - but PTimers who do more than their contracted hours should received the Delivery Supplement based on their worked hours.

At the moment 2 people doing 40 hours - 1 on PT and 1 on FT get paid a different amount despite doing the same amount of work and that is patently unfair

[NewPostieUK]

Slightly off topic, but a full time person gets a higher O/T rate than say a 30 hr part time person, who has to work 10 hours to qualify for this higher O/T rate, now is that fair?

No it's not fair.

Every minute over your contracted hours should be time and a half. If it was like that, it would encourage Royal Mail to give us proper contracts. When people work over their hours day in day out it proves they are on the wrong contract.

In nearly three years I have never, ever worked the 25 hrs it states in my contract.

Seriously, how the union let this go on I have no idea.

[NewPostieUK]

But then you would the situation of a FT doing 40 hours getting less basic wage per hour for his last 10 hours than a PT who decides to do 10 hours OT. Would that be fair.

Yes!

[BELIAL]

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[creedscat]

Why was my post pulled?? Im only telling it how i see it?? I spaek my mind at work in front of the gaffers aswell. So why not on here?? Most posties now who do all the donkey work are around 30 odd quid a week down, which in the current economic climate is proper s**t. Yet some on here think losing out on your hard earned is a result???

YOU DO THE WORK, YOU GET PAID!!!!!! SIMPLES!!!

[banner18]

Slightly off topic, but a full time person gets a higher O/T rate than say a 30 hr part time person, who has to work 10 hours to qualify for this higher O/T rate, now is that fair?

No it's not fair.

Every minute over your contracted hours should be time and a half. If it was like that, it would encourage Royal Mail to give us proper contracts. When people work over their hours day in day out it proves they are on the wrong contract.

In nearly three years I have never, ever worked the 25 hrs it states in my contract.

Seriously, how the union let this go on I have no idea.

The union don't let anything go. It is the people themselves that decide to work over. If none of them did it, The contracts would have to be made up. It is no good saying that others would do it because then you are doing it for selfish self motivated reasons.
I used to be on a 30 hour contract pre SDD and lapped up every bit of ot there was, getting 3 hours for an hours work. Since SDD and pay and mod, the ot rate is lower and hours ot is an hours pay. This is too poor for me, so I do none. If others do, then good luck, but don't cry about it if you aren't prepared to stand up for some principles.

[PostieWithTheMostie!]

Quote - paid out under the old "winners and losers" system of payment - Winners & Losers.. or Discrimination for a better world and everybody have an equal payment - where's the equal payment for some P/T 'er gets a tenner and some PHG/MC staff getting £20 and never touching them - probably another example of Discrimination.

[gazzariah]

Quote ''the payments are fairer than before'' - My arse

d2ds allready facing much opposition and abuse on my duty.

[shimmyrule]

drivers keep there driving allowances, why arent they amalgamated across the board and split between all of us, it would be better to give everyone the same amount.
drivers get there allowance plus 20-60 for doing fook all door 2 doors.

as a non driver, its only fair i get the drivers allowance and my 20-60 d 2 d- aye?

[banner18]

drivers keep there driving allowances, why arent they amalgamated across the board and split between all of us, it would be better to give everyone the same amount.
drivers get there allowance plus 20-60 for doing fook all door 2 doors.

as a non driver, its only fair i get the drivers allowance and my 20-60 d 2 d- aye?

Not a correct comparison. Managers, lorry drivers, collections deliver no mail, so should they get no wages that comes from money paid for the delivery of mail. Delivering D2D is just another aspect of mail deliveries and not any specialist area. It is in workload so what is the big deal about it? If you go over because of them you can book ot.
Should those who do special deliveries get a supplement because no-one else does them? The problem is that a culture has built that D2D are paid separate, but when you think carefully about it, D2D shouldn't be under a separate payment system.
Other allowances could be debated about, but as far as I can see, none of them are devisive like D2D.
So what if one guy does twice as many as another guy? If one of the fellas took the same time but does half the D2D, he must have had longer drives, steps or more packets to contend with. They should get the same pay rate for the work they did end of.
If one guy drives, or does a night shift and another guy does neither of these it has nothing to do with the labour he does, but the responsibility or socially awkward times he works at. A quite different debate surrounds this I think.