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39hr week?

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Re: 39hr week?

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Big Daz wrote:I would suggest HQ clairfy how D.O/MC's that allready have sequnced mail get their £1000.

A simple LTB followed up be nesscary enforcement action should suffice.
RM' stance is - SWW on implementation of an INTEGRATED revision :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: 39hr week?

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I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
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Re: 39hr week?

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SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
Lower amount of money £200 - on implementation of W/S revision, £600 if the savings are made after 6 weeks or for a period of 6 weeks i beleive
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Re: 39hr week?

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SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC

M.C has slightly different payment criteria than a D.O
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Re: 39hr week?

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Steviea34 wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
Lower amount of money £200 - on implementation of W/S revision, £600 if the savings are made after 6 weeks or for a period of 6 weeks i beleive
No £600 for walk sequencing revision followed by £200 after revision has bedded in or 6 weeks later whichever comes first. The 2010 Agreement does not mention any savings as a pre-requisite for getting either lump sum.
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Additional Transformation Lump Sums totalling £1000 for employees covered by this agreement (pro rata for part time employees). Annex C gives the detailed trigger points for implementation of the lump sums in each function.


Annex C
Transformation Lump Sum Payments and Shorter Working Week
Delivery
Applicable to all Delivery Units including SPDO’s.
Lump Sums
The payment of £1,000 (pro rata for part time employees) consisting of 3 lump sums will be paid as follows.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period.

SPDOs
All SPDOs will receive the £600 and £200 payments in line with their parent delivery unit.

Shorter Working Week
To be implemented in all Delivery Units in line with the Walk Sequencing revision.

Processing

Lump sums
The £1000 lump sum (pro rata for part time employees) will be paid in two phases.
Phase 1 is a lump sum of £400 to be paid when the Mail Centre is successfully deploying walk sequencing letter mail to the transformation plan for 50% of the Delivery Offices within its catchment area.

Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond

The remaining £600 will be paid on the same basis when the Mail Centre is walk sequencing mail for 100% of its Delivery Units.
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Re: 39hr week?

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39 hr week for processing is differnt than delivery in its implementation, for processing it says



Shorter Working Week
The one hour reduction will be implemented in two phases. There will be a reduction of 30 minutes or credit given (either aggregated to provide additional leave or taken as scheduled attendance by employee choice) when the Mail Centre is walk sequencing mail for 50% of its catchment area. The final 30 minute reduction will be implemented (along with the phase one 30 minutes if not already deployed) when the Mail Centre is walk sequencing mail for 100% of its Delivery Units.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Steviea34 wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
Lower amount of money £200 - on implementation of W/S revision, £600 if the savings are made after 6 weeks or for a period of 6 weeks i beleive
No £600 for walk sequencing revision followed by £200 after revision has bedded in or 6 weeks later whichever comes first. The 2010 Agreement does not mention any savings as a pre-requisite for getting either lump sum.
So does that make my DSM a lying bag of s**t when he says we are not hitting targets so we are getting nothing?
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Re: 39hr week?

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Pat Ostman wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Steviea34 wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
Lower amount of money £200 - on implementation of W/S revision, £600 if the savings are made after 6 weeks or for a period of 6 weeks i beleive
No £600 for walk sequencing revision followed by £200 after revision has bedded in or 6 weeks later whichever comes first. The 2010 Agreement does not mention any savings as a pre-requisite for getting either lump sum.
So does that make my DSM a lying bag of s**t when he says we are not hitting targets so we are getting nothing?
:hmmmm
Not necessarily , because the words that is the word says "upon completion of a successful revision" . Define "successful" oops sorry you don't get to do that definition ,wonder who does :chuckle
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Re: 39hr week?

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So if the WS Revision is going to be across the three years you are going to have some areas working 39 hours for the same pay as someone who is working 40 hours possibly for as long as 2.5 years?

Did anyone really put any thought into this agreement at all? Why not go for the one hour on agreement, better still why not go for 5 hours on agreement which would certainly save full time jobs.

It strikes me that RM put their case forward and the CWU had no idea what to ask for and so agreed to whatever was on the table and had no initiatives of its own which amounted to anything.
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Re: 39hr week?

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Steviea34 wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the bonus with regard to walk sequencing is when the sequencing is done for the whole area covered by the local MC
Lower amount of money £200 - on implementation of W/S revision, £600 if the savings are made after 6 weeks or for a period of 6 weeks i beleive
No £600 for walk sequencing revision followed by £200 after revision has bedded in or 6 weeks later whichever comes first. The 2010 Agreement does not mention any savings as a pre-requisite for getting either lump sum.

You may need to reconsider that statement - as RM has a different interpretation of which comes first :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: 39hr week?

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silverback wrote:Dont get overexcited, when it is introduced, it will be a reduction of 12mins a day over a 5 day week which will mean starting 12 mins later. Theory is that when walk sequenced mail arrives it will be quicker to prep thus saving x minutes. Thats what I understand, would be interested if senior union officials know different.
If you stay on a 5 day week.

if you move to a 9 day fortnight you will lose an average of 20 mins per week in meal relief.
8hr45min day entitels you to 40 min meal relief the same as an 8hr day.
working 9 days means losing one 40 min break per fortnight.
so although you will be at work for an hour less you'll only be working 40 mins less, as you'll have 20 mins less meal relief.

if you move to a 4 day you will lose 40 mins in meal relief per week in meal relief.
9hr45min day entitles you to 40 min meal relief existing 4 day weeks work 10hr days entiteling them to 50mins.
so they will be at work for 15mins less a day 5mins less work 10mins less meal relief.

thats the way i understand it feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
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Re: 39hr week?

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belle smith wrote:
silverback wrote:Dont get overexcited, when it is introduced, it will be a reduction of 12mins a day over a 5 day week which will mean starting 12 mins later. Theory is that when walk sequenced mail arrives it will be quicker to prep thus saving x minutes. Thats what I understand, would be interested if senior union officials know different.
If you stay on a 5 day week.

if you move to a 9 day fortnight you will lose an average of 20 mins per week in meal relief.
8hr45min day entitels you to 40 min meal relief the same as an 8hr day.
working 9 days means losing one 40 min break per fortnight.
so although you will be at work for an hour less you'll only be working 40 mins less, as you'll have 20 mins less meal relief.

if you move to a 4 day you will lose 40 mins in meal relief per week in meal relief.
9hr45min day entitles you to 40 min meal relief existing 4 day weeks work 10hr days entiteling them to 50mins.
so they will be at work for 15mins less a day 5mins less work 10mins less meal relief.

thats the way i understand it feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
I think belle smith that a 9hr45min attendance would still allow for a 50mins meal relief
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Re: 39hr week?

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Well i did say to correct me if i'm worng :Applause
happy to be wrong in this case.

i assume you agree about the 9 day fortnights?
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Re: 39hr week?

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belle smith wrote:Well i did say to correct me if i'm worng :Applause
happy to be wrong in this case.

i assume you agree about the 9 day fortnights?
Yes you will lose 40 mins meal relief over the fortnight if you are working a 9 day fortnight.
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