work to rule already

[gb93]

Well Lincox we have at least agreed on some common ground and probably not a million miles away from each other on most issues,just different interpratations of some things and opionions on other.
That's life you carry on and say what you think is right and I will do same,sometimes you will be right,sometimes I will be right and sometimes we both will be wrong but it doesn't stop the chance to debate.

[andy2007]

i am sorry ,ive never heard such nonsense..(yes i have)
work tO rule is perfectly legal.
it simply means ..doing the job exactly to the companies own rules(WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE DOING ANYWAY)

it has already been though the courts and thrown out...it was posted (by tbt)some time ago.

On the contrary. A work to rule, is where a workforce decides to work strictly to their contracts (hence the name). Because it's organised, it's classed as industrial action. So if there isn't a valid ballot, it's illegal.

Doing the job properly, is where a group of workers are ASKED to work properly (hence the name). Because it's only a request, rather than people being expected to follow suit. It's a personal choice whether to take part or not, and therefore isn't organised. Which means that it can't be considered to be industrial action. So no ballot is required, which means that it's perfectly legal.

It all comes down to the organisation or lack of it. If it's properly organised (work to rule), you need a valid ballot to avoid breaking the law. If it's an advertising campaign, requesting that people work safely, don't cut corners, etc.. Then it's not organised action, and is perfectly legal.

[Union Man]

Get a grip! If I was the only one in in my office that took my proper meal relief so be it.I am not my brothers keeper, if other smucks can't read the writing more fool them.JUST DO THE JOB PROPERLY AND YOU WILL REPRESENT THE REAL WORLD!no cutting corners, no favours,no running,no giving RM YOUR TIME before start time,watch the Dom's bleat,and not a chance of being called a trouble maker!just try it stand up for what is legally yours.

[taxi4leighton]

if you finish at 2.20 pm
you should be leaving office at 10.15 am for 10.30 am start
3 hrs 30 min delivery takes you to 2 pm
20 mins for pouching off
if your ready togo everyday at 9am
then you have plenty time to absorb walk

[Night Tonic]

Same difference

No it aint.

The word is 'isn't' if you must contract, but 'working properly' is exactly the same as working to rule except with a different tag. If there is any difference its one of speed but otherwise they both include doing no more than you have to and within the rules.

Sorry wrong.

Working properly is an individuals choice. Working to rule is a recognised industrial action (which the CWU dislike) by a group.

IN RM as the CWU don't like WTRs it can cause problems as without their backing and a properly constituted ballot WTR are illegal and workers taking part can be sacked.

If you decide to "Do the job properly" dont use that term or WTR when talking with management, just actually come in on time, refuse offers of overtime, take 1 bag with you (follow weight matrix), follow all H&S rules etc etc etc - they will get the message in the end.
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On the contraction "ain't" your wrong. You are right in your choice of an alternative but wrong that "ain't" should not be used in this context".

Definition: Ain't
Definition
A contraction for are not and am not; also used for is not. [Colloq. or illiterate speech].[Websters].
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Date "Ain't" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1647.

BTW its not from Wikipedia

You can split hairs but whether its one or many, 'working to rule' (you call it 'doing the job properly' if you like) is working to rule. After all, one person can carry out industrial action. You don't need a gaggle of posties to do that. 'Doing the job properly' is unique to RM - it was invented by some individual to get around Thatcher's rulebook but its nature remains the same.

[andy2007]

You can split hairs but whether its one or many, 'working to rule' (you call it 'doing the job properly' if you like) is working to rule. After all, one person can carry out industrial action. You don't need a gaggle of posties to do that. 'Doing the job properly' is unique to RM - it was invented by some individual to get around Thatcher's rulebook but its nature remains the same.

It's not a case of splitting hairs. It's the difference between being morally obliged to take part, because it's an organised work to rule. And having an advertising campaign, to RECOMMEND that people do the job properly, because they're hurting their collegues by not doing so.

There's no difference for the individual, between a work to rule, and doing the job properly. On that point, I agree with you. It's simply a loophole in the law, which allows you to encourage people to do the job properly. Like you said yourself: Doing the job properly is unique to RM, because the CWU were clever enough to spot the loophole in the law. Well done CWU!

[brothermagrew]

Old Nightie certainly has though raised another interesting sideline question, namely what is the collective term for a group of posties, surely not a gaggle as was suggested?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

A Union naturally

[motherhubbard]

A PARCEL, an EXPRESS or a DELIVERY of postmen.
I found these on the tinternet.
I prefer an amble of postmen or perhaps a confusion.

There was about 9 of us on the bus the other day and some bloke got on and asked the same question:
What is the collective noun for a group of postmen?
A voice piped up from the back of the bus - a bunch of thieving gits.

[royalwud]

if you finish at 2.20 pm
you should be leaving office at 10.15 am for 10.30 am start
3 hrs 30 min delivery takes you to 2 pm
20 mins for pouching off
if your ready togo everyday at 9am
then you have plenty time to absorb walk

Yes your right but not three walks every day when there are only 31 walks in the office, any way my friend ower work to rule is working just fine, with all the surport ov every one in the office

[POSTMAN]

Same difference

No it aint.

The word is 'isn't' if you must contract, but 'working properly' is exactly the same as working to rule except with a different tag. If there is any difference its one of speed but otherwise they both include doing no more than you have to and within the rules.

Sorry wrong.

Working properly is an individuals choice. Working to rule is a recognised industrial action (which the CWU dislike) by a group.

IN RM as the CWU don't like WTRs it can cause problems as without their backing and a properly constituted ballot WTR are illegal and workers taking part can be sacked.

If you decide to "Do the job properly" dont use that term or WTR when talking with management, just actually come in on time, refuse offers of overtime, take 1 bag with you (follow weight matrix), follow all H&S rules etc etc etc - they will get the message in the end.
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On the contraction "ain't" your wrong. You are right in your choice of an alternative but wrong that "ain't" should not be used in this context".

Definition: Ain't
Definition
A contraction for are not and am not; also used for is not. [Colloq. or illiterate speech].[Websters].
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Date "Ain't" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1647.

BTW its not from Wikipedia

You can split hairs but whether its one or many, 'working to rule' (you call it 'doing the job properly' if you like) is working to rule. After all, one person can carry out industrial action. You don't need a gaggle of posties to do that. 'Doing the job properly' is unique to RM - it was invented by some individual to get around Thatcher's rulebook but its nature remains the same.

Do us a favour,get your guys together at your place,just for fun and get them to tell management that you lot are working to rule.

[prdc driver]

It's NOT work to rule that is illegal,you mean you're going to do the job properly yes?

working to all the rules is a much better way of making your point apply every rule to everything you are asked to do you will be surprised how little you end up doing

[royalwud]

if you finish at 2.20 pm
you should be leaving office at 10.15 am for 10.30 am start
3 hrs 30 min delivery takes you to 2 pm
20 mins for pouching off
if your ready togo everyday at 9am
then you have plenty time to absorb walk

Yes your right but not three walks every day when there are only 31 walks in the office, any way my friend ower work to rule is working just fine, with all the surport ov every one in the office

Yes wednesday went very well, no absorbing !!!! Hahaha, see that's what happens when you all stick together in your office!! We are winning the lapsing war, becourse that's what it's turned out to be.

[axeman]

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You can split hairs but whether its one or many, 'working to rule' (you call it 'doing the job properly' if you like) is working to rule. After all, one person can carry out industrial action. You don't need a gaggle of posties to do that. 'Doing the job properly' is unique to RM - it was invented by some individual to get around Thatcher's rulebook but its nature remains the same.

somewhat frustrated eh night tonic !! perhaps it's the late nights on the machines trying to got your opg's to work harder ........and them telling you to fcuk off with the ''work to rule'' just worded to be in keeping with the employment laws of thatchers era

[S6 Stroller]

You can split hairs but whether its one or many, 'working to rule' (you call it 'doing the job properly' if you like) is working to rule. After all, one person can carry out industrial action. You don't need a gaggle of posties to do that. 'Doing the job properly' is unique to RM - it was invented by some individual to get around Thatcher's rulebook but its nature remains the same.

Cobblers. If I choose to 'protest' by doing the job they are paying me to do 'properly', I will do so and my conscience will call it whatever the f*ck it wants to. That's my personal choice. Royal Mail can't categorise a stance, that doesn't impede on my day-to-day duties, as 'working to rule' on my behalf.

Imagine the headline. "Postie's one-man 'Industrial Action' consists solely of doing his job...to the 'letter'!"