D2D Update 4th June

[london sub]

I am part time had 4 d2d to prep up this morning which took 20mins, while the guy next to me (full time) only had 1, and laughed by saying "i've got an easy duty plus i don't have to work as hard as you and getting paid more as well".

Really left me feeling like crap this morning!

[dvbuk55]

I am part time had 4 d2d to prep up this morning which took 20mins, while the guy next to me (full time) only had 1, and laughed by saying "i've got an easy duty plus i don't have to work as hard as you and getting paid more as well".

Really left me feeling like crap this morning!

As the unions say unity is strength - bit of a load of crap when they're actively doing the opposite.

[LJR]

So just to get this straight.....My manager tells me to lapse part of another duty on Monday.....I can tell him to go forth and multiply........yes??

I would say no you cant as its a reasonble request, i would say that if i was you i will do it if i have any time left at the end of the shift as per 2007 pay & mod as is only correct that we work "ALL" paid hours. Only you know if you will have enough time after taking out D2Ds. For myself i think i will have to extend almost every day on my own walk as D2Ds are now live mail. Half hour a day X five equals about 20 pounds a week!

What about where it states:

However in order to facilitate a smooth transition it is agreed that there will be no absorption in any Delivery Units for the next 2 weeks in order to provide more time for the transfer to be formally completed, therefore talks should continue between local parties to complete the transfer in line with the national agreement and have robust arrangements and processes in place by the 21st June. Thereafter any agreed interim arrangements will continue until a formal revision takes place and the workload is embedded into the office duty structure.

Look i have said i am not happy with the pay cuts of D2Ds but thats life! I do not trust either RM or CWU HQs slant on things but what this D2D stuff gives us NOW is workload! The old saying expect the worst, hope for the best and take what comes springs to mind. I took out my daily shair of D2Ds today didnt have to book but could not lapse! Job done! (Screw what they the Bosses both RM and HQ say!) I say WE WORK OUR HOURS and if you have time then do it, if not CUT OFF or BOOK! People can play the word game and lose against RM (as they will!) or just do their job properly. I have still never lapsed and dont think i will unless work is so light and i return to the office early and RM RIGHTLY say work your hours and do that bit of lapsed duty, now or Two weeks make no nevermind to me! D2Ds now have ensured i can book when i want and for nine months of the year its going to cost RM way more than 20 odd quid i used to get from D2Ds and the other Three months it ensures (unless really light) i dont have to lapse and plead with management because the works there! Two weeks? who gives a sh*t about Two weeks and any revision? We all know this was cr*P so why not just get the best from it and if w*nkers want to carve up their own duty just let them get on with it? I WORK MY HOURS THAT I AM PAID FOR AND AM PROUD!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

What about where it states:

However in order to facilitate a smooth transition it is agreed that there will be no absorption in any Delivery Units for the next 2 weeks in order to provide more time for the transfer to be formally completed, therefore talks should continue between local parties to complete the transfer in line with the national agreement and have robust arrangements and processes in place by the 21st June. Thereafter any agreed interim arrangements will continue until a formal revision takes place and the workload is embedded into the office duty structure.

Unfortunately in your quote you missed 2 important parts:

sorry but here they are:

The following words were sent to Royal Mail with the hope of issuing them as a joint statement.

<insert your quote>

Royal Mail have shied away from issuing a joint statement and issued a statement to their managers which whilst being slightly helpful does not sufficiently deal with the tight deadline and their managers approach to this changeover which in many instances appears to be from a start point of absorption.

So in essence the D2D Update was a paper exercise and did not and does not affect the day to day grind of a postie, except of course it clarifies a few rules and procedures apparently.

[postghost]

What about where it states:

However in order to facilitate a smooth transition it is agreed that there will be no absorption in any Delivery Units for the next 2 weeks in order to provide more time for the transfer to be formally completed, therefore talks should continue between local parties to complete the transfer in line with the national agreement and have robust arrangements and processes in place by the 21st June. Thereafter any agreed interim arrangements will continue until a formal revision takes place and the workload is embedded into the office duty structure.

Unfortunately in your quote you missed 2 important parts:

sorry but here they are:

The following words were sent to Royal Mail with the hope of issuing them as a joint statement.

<insert your quote>

Royal Mail have shied away from issuing a joint statement and issued a statement to their managers which whilst being slightly helpful does not sufficiently deal with the tight deadline and their managers approach to this changeover which in many instances appears to be from a start point of absorption.

So in essence the D2D Update was a paper exercise and did not and does not affect the day to day grind of a postie, except of course it clarifies a few rules and procedures apparently.

So it is clear now (as it was before) that RM have no intention of seeing through changes in conjunction with the CWU.

What are ACAS (remember them??) saying all about this?

[fishtank]

What are ACAS (remember them??) saying all about this?

Probably something along the lines of.

Roger....it's Bob Gibson

Bob who? sorry the name doesn't ring a bell and stop ringing this number were busy...BT has a deal to negotiate and those idiots from the CWU will be around any minute looking for a facilitator

[brothermagrew]

I would say no you cant as its a reasonble request, i would say that if i was you i will do it if i have any time left at the end of the shift as per 2007 pay & mod as is only correct that we work "ALL" paid hours.

Correct me if I am wrong brother LJR but I was under the presumption that where a duty was lapsed for absorbtion then that part of the duty was done first, before an individual's regular duty was commenced.

[Big Daz]

What about where it states:

However in order to facilitate a smooth transition it is agreed that there will be no absorption in any Delivery Units for the next 2 weeks in order to provide more time for the transfer to be formally completed, therefore talks should continue between local parties to complete the transfer in line with the national agreement and have robust arrangements and processes in place by the 21st June. Thereafter any agreed interim arrangements will continue until a formal revision takes place and the workload is embedded into the office duty structure.

Unfortunately in your quote you missed 2 important parts:

sorry but here they are:

The following words were sent to Royal Mail with the hope of issuing them as a joint statement.

<insert your quote>

Royal Mail have shied away from issuing a joint statement and issued a statement to their managers which whilst being slightly helpful does not sufficiently deal with the tight deadline and their managers approach to this changeover which in many instances appears to be from a start point of absorption.

So in essence the D2D Update was a paper exercise and did not and does not affect the day to day grind of a postie, except of course it clarifies a few rules and procedures apparently.

So it is clear now (as it was before) that RM have no intention of seeing through changes in conjunction with the CWU.

What are ACAS (remember them??) saying all about this?

I dissagree, CWU made a proposal to RML, RML rejected the proposal just like CWU reject RML proposals at times. This is a post agreement unforseen issue. What we need to see is the advice RML have issued to their mangers that the DTD 4th June update mentions in relation to the issue. "and issued a statement to their managers which whilst being slightly helpful does not sufficiently deal with the tight deadline"

If we look at the update it is clear that RML and CWU got ahead of themselves with the change over date, so blame has to be shared equally. Because it took them so long to sort out guidelines it has left a pathetic time period to make arrangements in D.O's. Just like DTD in workload could be considered from a practical view point been better off happening with revision activty rather than a interim period, so the implementation date could have been better off being set after guidelines finalised.

The update also made clear CWU powers that be had no problem with absorption, so long as it was done in the proper manner and proof was presented to reps that it was possible.

"As far as absorption is concerned we have never refuted that there may be opportunities to do this but it cannot be the start point for moving D2D into workload, in fact it was never raised in the national negotiations. The position on absorption is this. Managers are at liberty to propose absorption; however they must place the evidence for this before our representatives. Evidence which must include traffic figures for the office and broken down into delivery routes, this must be based on letters, flats, packets and D2D. This should also be supplemented with recent week’s figures so that comparisons can be made. Then a sensible discussion should take place based upon factual data/statistics. If this does not happen then you are not at liberty to absorb."

[Big Daz]

I would say no you cant as its a reasonble request, i would say that if i was you i will do it if i have any time left at the end of the shift as per 2007 pay & mod as is only correct that we work "ALL" paid hours.

Correct me if I am wrong brother LJR but I was under the presumption that where a duty was lapsed for absorbtion then that part of the duty was done first, before an individual's regular duty was commenced.

brothermagrew

I dont recall seeing that in the phase 3 documentation, which means each D.O is free to do what it wants.

[LJR]

I would say no you cant as its a reasonble request, i would say that if i was you i will do it if i have any time left at the end of the shift as per 2007 pay & mod as is only correct that we work "ALL" paid hours.

Correct me if I am wrong brother LJR but I was under the presumption that where a duty was lapsed for absorbtion then that part of the duty was done first, before an individual's regular duty was commenced.

I cant say your wrong but We should not be leaving a DO before 4 hours shift end unless local agreements allow it and that is 3.5 hours + .5 hours for traveling. The indoor elliment is a different matter and if you are bagged up you should do extra sorting deads or what ever they ask you to do indoors as is right and agreed! We are signed into a duty and as such we are obligated to complete that duty before doing anything else. Lapsing should only be done if normal worktime allows and we cant know that until we have completed our own duty we are signed into can we? If a manager wants lapsing done first its because they know the duty holder can break any and all rules on their own duty to complete thus saving money at no or little risk or cost to RM but if you as the duty holder come a cropper they will code you as we all know the rules. Do your own duty first in a safe way and if you have time do the lapsing bit after if you have time.

[Big Daz]

In my D.O we can tell if there is time by the sheer amount of duty time left once prep is all done if absorption can be done and that will vary between duties.

If members were to wait in my D.O untill 4 hours before shift end that would mean standing around with nothing to do, IPS will be done, prep will be done callers office is covered by RLE duties. The DOM would love that a office full of OPGs standing around with nothing to do, just perfect for improving the case for savings.

Reality is the lunchtime van from the MC that collects mail brings IPS mail for the following day so if work all hours were to be implemented by my DOM it would have to be stay on and do IPS after delivery has finished. There is not enough work pre delivery to keep us going untill 4 hours before duty finish time.

[woofwoof]

In my D.O we can tell if there is time by the sheer amount of duty time left once prep is all done if absorption can be done and that will vary between duties.

If members were to wait in my D.O untill 4 hours before shift end that would mean standing around with nothing to do, IPS will be done, prep will be done callers office is covered by RLE duties. The DOM would love that a office full of OPGs standing around with nothing to do, just perfect for improving the case for savings.

Reality is the lunchtime van from the MC that collects mail brings IPS mail for the following day so if work all hours were to be implemented by my DOM it would have to be stay on and do IPS after delivery has finished. There is not enough work pre delivery to keep us going untill 4 hours before duty finish time.

you could clean the toilets

[Jenny Manchester]

The Usual Early birds was in my office today at 5 15 am 45 minutes before they were due in putting their D2Ds together, some brought enough out for the next Two days. one Guy brought out 18% which will cover him till Wednesday then he said "I'm off Thursday I can relax now" Quite a few in our office left at 9 30 and went over Today..

[postghost]

So let me get this right..........

Total cock up with the £400 payment - check!!
Total cock up with new d2d implementation - check!!
Poor communication between / from RM & CWU - check!!
ACAS not saying "you need to get a grip you lot" - check!!

Not looking good for the future is it??

[fishtank]

So let me get this right..........

Total cock up with the £400 payment - check!!
Total cock up with new d2d implementation - check!!
Poor communication between / from RM & CWU - check!!
ACAS not saying "you need to get a grip you lot" - check!!

Not looking good for the future is it??

Erm.....Check!!.