D2D Update 4th June

[Patrick Clifton]

Can someone put me right on this d2d prep rates,am I right with my thinking

1 contract = 22 items a min giving 4 mins prep time
2 contract = 11 items a min giving 8 mins prep time

My thinking is you add these times together 4min+8min=12min prep time for 2 contracts
Is that right or is it 8 min prep for 2 d2d

8 min prep for 2 d2d's, I think

[fishtank]

I think and it is only an opinion as the wording is open to interpretation(again) that some managers are attempting to simply absorp the effects of D2D into existing prep times and delivery times.
I think(again) that the union wants to put a hold on this to allow reps and managers to gather the information required to make an informed decision as to whether these duties have spare time on prep and delivery to enable this.
Or alternatively the union wants a hold on ALL absorption to allow a bedding in period and give members a chance to get used to prepping and delivering in workload without the added stress of lapsing part of another walk.
Take your pick.

[Steviea34]

BOB GIBSON - Does this guy have a SCOOBY - DOO

[fishtank]

Can someone put me right on this d2d prep rates,am I right with my thinking

1 contract = 22 items a min giving 4 mins prep time
2 contract = 11 items a min giving 8 mins prep time

My thinking is you add these times together 4min+8min=12min prep time for 2 contracts
Is that right or is it 8 min prep for 2 d2d

It's in the withdrawn doc that now looks very similar to this one.

1 contract 4 mins per day
2 contracts 8 mins per day
3 contracts 10 mins per day
4 contracts 11 mins per day
5 contracts 12 mins per day
6 contracts 14 mins per day

[Patrick Clifton]

I think and it is only an opinion as the wording is open to interpretation(again) that some managers are attempting to simply absorp the effects of D2D into existing prep times and delivery times.
I think(again) that the union wants to put a hold on this to allow reps and managers to gather the information required to make an informed decision as to whether these duties have spare time on prep and delivery to enable this.
Or alternatively the union wants a hold on ALL absorption to allow a bedding in period and give members a chance to get used to prepping and delivering in workload without the added stress of lapsing part of another walk.
Take your pick.

Thanks FT

I guess everyone is as confused with this as I am. They put something out to clarify the situation but end up making us even more confused.

[drb]

The D2D issue will now test your managers on the "trust and relationship" issue.Work "as normal".If the D2D makes you cut off then it is up to you manager to follow the guidlines of the national agreement.Now. Unlike before you were left to your own devices,you need your CWU diary and record his comments AND report it to your area rep.I promise you they are listening up "top". But PLEASE do not sit on your arses on the PC and slate me or anyone else.Get your arses into gear!!!!!

The first reaction you can expect is "They are going slow".

[gb93]

Yeah FT saw the withdrawn doc but if you look at figures in Geezers post it cleary says 11 items per min for 2nd contract now if it's 11 per min over the 2 d2d that would be 166 items at 11 per min giving you 15 min prep time for 2 contracts now I don't believe that would be agreed.But the post says these are RM figures you must add the time for 1 contract to time given to do 2nd contract and this cleary states 4 min & 8 min WHICH IS 12 MINS


Hope it is explained cleary but ready to listen to all the other interpretations Sorry it was drb post

[fishtank]

Yeah FT saw the withdrawn doc but if you look at figures in Geezers post it cleary says 11 items per min for 2nd contract now if it's 11 per min over the 2 d2d that would be 166 items at 11 per min giving you 15 min prep time for 2 contracts now I don't believe that would be agreed.But the post says these are RM figures you must add the time for 1 contract to time given to do 2nd contract and this cleary states 4 min & 8 min WHICH IS 12 MINS

Hope it is explained cleary but ready to listen to all the other interpretations

Nah it's just worded badly again...it's giving you 11 per min for the 2 contracts that's why it's 22 for one because the first 2 have to be prepped one at a time.
8 minutes for the first 2 contracts is i'm afraid the total figure.

[Danelectro]

Yeah FT saw the withdrawn doc but if you look at figures in Geezers post it cleary says 11 items per min for 2nd contract now if it's 11 per min over the 2 d2d that would be 166 items at 11 per min giving you 15 min prep time for 2 contracts now I don't believe that would be agreed.But the post says these are RM figures you must add the time for 1 contract to time given to do 2nd contract and this cleary states 4 min & 8 min WHICH IS 12 MINS

Hope it is explained cleary but ready to listen to all the other interpretations

Nah it's just worded badly again...it's giving you 11 per min for the 2 contracts that's why it's 22 for one because the first 2 have to be prepped one at a time.
8 minutes for the first 2 contracts is i'm afraid the total figure.

Just to clarify this dumb ass prep times- have the union agreed that to collate and prep 5 D2D (and that would include taking strapings off boxes etc ) in 12 minutes?

Our DOM told us today that we will get 15 mins indoor time for 3 D2D (allthough this time is being taken out of the walksorting time!)and we replied 'double slots gonna take longer than that etc'-now the union seems to have put a stop to that??

[guvenor]

sorry but im prepping in d2d in no rush at all i dont give a toss about prep rates for d2d bet they were tested in empty frames not filled with letters and flats .
if im not going fast enough they can try and retrain me in their time only been in the job 20yrs
easily make up payment lost, in ot through extend del because of d2d prep
mgmt have admitted they dont have a clue how to introduce d2d into workload no time if it takes about 15 mins for say 3 d2d then you have your pt duty to prep 30 mins dtd prep not going to get that
fun on mon

[tragictramp]

time to prep 4 d2d's?


so on monday i got 4 d2d's including the evil monthly council newspaper which 80items weigh 2.5kg btw, what time am i expected to prep 4 d2d's into a frame full of mail and flats in?, i asked my dom today whether they will be prepped for me or will i have to do it myself - he answered good question giving no answer, he then told me it would be a good idea if i prepped the floaters part the day before im off to make sure he delivers it, i was like thats your job. i think theirs gunna be a lot of arguments in this wise new way of working, if there are any walks absorbed their will be fights over who's left with the 1/6th which needs d2d to be done.

[steve1873]

To: All Divisional Representatives
Branches and Area Delivery Representatives


D2D Update 4th June 2010

I'm sorry but those times are absolutely ridiculous, and in no way achievable. In an empty frame with 1 address per slot, no problem. But considering they are to be last items of mail inserted into frame... forget it. I'm glad I'm on annual leave for the next 2 weeks!!!

And as for the method - 3 or more contracts are to be collated before being inserted into frame. Are we to assume the customer is happy about this? We are forever being told not to put door to doors inside each other as this is not the correct delivery specification.

[gb93]

Collating d2d doesn't mean putting them inside each other you just put the 3,4,5,6 together ten put them into frame.Easy It should read then not ten

[woofwoof]

well we was told we still have to walk collapse this monday when we told the dom today about this we said see you in the canteen monday then

[woofwoof]

we are told now by union rep this is union statement only so do as we are told

members are fed up now saying cwu back us on this or f@@k off