April membership joiners and leavers

[dvbuk55]

The reality of this agreement is that almost every paragraph has been subject to debate and arguement and both Royal Mail and the CWU along with ACAS and Roger Poole know what actually has been agreed.

Why is it so difficult to use words in such a way that there can be no doubt as to their meaning?

Well according to something passed in conference, according to Big Daz, it should have been plain language only, so lucky that RM, the CWU, ACAS and Roger Poole know exactly what is agreed - none of whom are actually going to be doing any of the work involved.

You have to question the intelligence of these people if they waste their time arguing over ambiguous sentences.

The whole bloody agreement is ambiguous and in many cases hasn't even been finalised, which means that the agreement has been ratified without being complete and so anything that wasn't obvious or explained won't matter because it has already been agreed - remember 2007?

[fishtank]

The whole bloody agreement is ambiguous and in many cases hasn't even been finalised, which means that the agreement has been ratified without being complete and so anything that wasn't obvious or explained won't matter because it has already been agreed - remember 2007?

Nothing.....is.....agreed....until......well you know the rest of the lie.

[dvbuk55]

The whole bloody agreement is ambiguous and in many cases hasn't even been finalised, which means that the agreement has been ratified without being complete and so anything that wasn't obvious or explained won't matter because it has already been agreed - remember 2007?

Nothing.....is.....agreed....until......well you know the rest of the lie.

Believe it or not I had forgotten that bit - but so very apt ft Especially considering that the talks are still ongoing - I mean 5 months and now this delay over tactics. Obviously RM had given it some thought because they withdrew the documents they had prepared - or at least purportedly withdrawn, we haven't seen the new ones yet - which coincidentally may look markedly like the old ones I can't wait to see the valedictorian speech from the CWU and what they've managed to snatch from defeat yet again.

[chewi]

Big Daz I did not miss the point. Yes it is badly worded no doubt about it. However drafting an agreement of over 80 pages with ACAS and Roger Poole both doing their shuttle mediation is never easy.

[b]However Dave Ward , Ray Ellis and Dale Haddon and Peter Walls know what was actually agreed[/b] and thats why the union has not come out and argued the case.

The reality of this agreement is that almost every paragraph has been subject to debate and arguement and both Royal Mail and the CWU along with ACAS and Roger Poole know what actually has been agreed.

There are pay directives which the company has shared with the union this week and have agreed no more will be issued without the union agreeing them.

Thats why on things like the 1 in 4 saturdays off if someone reads the agreement they always refer to the majority , whereas all those involved in the talks know its will be introduced in all offices who want it.

As I say the wording could have been different but the reality I doubt whether the £400 lump sum tipped the agreement to the yes camp .

Dvbuk the VRS being offered would have had an impact on the leavers would it not ?

Dvbuk Know Thy place

[dvbuk55]

Big Daz I did not miss the point. Yes it is badly worded no doubt about it. However drafting an agreement of over 80 pages with ACAS and Roger Poole both doing their shuttle mediation is never easy.

[b]However Dave Ward , Ray Ellis and Dale Haddon and Peter Walls know what was actually agreed[/b] and thats why the union has not come out and argued the case.

The reality of this agreement is that almost every paragraph has been subject to debate and arguement and both Royal Mail and the CWU along with ACAS and Roger Poole know what actually has been agreed.

There are pay directives which the company has shared with the union this week and have agreed no more will be issued without the union agreeing them.

Thats why on things like the 1 in 4 saturdays off if someone reads the agreement they always refer to the majority , whereas all those involved in the talks know its will be introduced in all offices who want it.

As I say the wording could have been different but the reality I doubt whether the £400 lump sum tipped the agreement to the yes camp .

Dvbuk the VRS being offered would have had an impact on the leavers would it not ?

Dvbuk Know Thy place

I am not worthy yes of course |I am

[BELIAL]

I am not pervy yes of course |I am

Thats better

[dvbuk55]

I am not pervy yes of course |I am

Thats better

Guilty as charged B.

[BELIAL]

I am not pervy yes of course |I am

Thats better

Guilty as charged B.

Thank f**k one of our posters is interesting and honest

[dvbuk55]

I am not pervy yes of course |I am

Thats better

Guilty as charged B.

Thank f**k one of our posters is interesting and honest

Well you point him out to me Belial and I'll put him straight, nobody got to positions of power telling the truth