hampshireman wrote:I thought long and hard about posting this. Because if anyone in my office reads this they will work out who I am.... but... this really annoys me.
Our Union Rep has basically tried to get our DOM sacked by reporting him to his Area Rep about a certian thing the DOM allowed to happen.
It's simple really. Due to terrible staff shortages he allowed people on holiday to come in and do overtime during their holiday. I know this is not allowed and I belive is called 'ghosting' He did what he needed to do to get the service delivered.
The job got done. Mail got delievered.
The upshot is that the DOM got called to a meeting today. I will find out tomorrow if he still has a job.
Is this the way for a Union Rep to behave? He was pleased with himself.
Why did he not go to the DOM and say "you really should not do this and next time I will have to report it"
I know some will be pleased that a DOM might be sacked ; but surely the attitude from the Rep is wrong?
Comments please
What goes around - comes around - lets hope your REP & area REP get a nice JUICY delivery if the agreement
is voted in. Just proves that there is good & bad on both sides, times wee the DOM & frontline really got on
& strived to get the job done - Alot of DOMS turn out the way they do because of SENIOR MANAGEMENT THREATS
smileski wrote:I can't see him getting in any trouble at all for this, i have come in to work on various days during AL before.
Surely it's no different to working your day off, as someone else said his superiors will be pleased he covered the duties.
It takes more than that to get rid of DIM!!!
how the f@@k can someone come in to work when their on a/l
why dont you go the whole hog and tell em you dont want any holidays
clowns
smileski wrote:I can't see him getting in any trouble at all for this, i have come in to work on various days during AL before.
Surely it's no different to working your day off, as someone else said his superiors will be pleased he covered the duties.
It takes more than that to get rid of DIM!!!
how the f@@k can someone come in to work when their on a/l
why dont you go the whole hog and tell em you dont want any holidays
clowns
Fair point but if your really short of cash and struggling with bills why not come in and work a day or two as you will not be able to afford take the family away anyway.
We get offered 2.30 for half a walk or a full 4.00 if you take out half the OT walks absorbtion
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
smileski wrote:I can't see him getting in any trouble at all for this, i have come in to work on various days during AL before.
Surely it's no different to working your day off, as someone else said his superiors will be pleased he covered the duties.
It takes more than that to get rid of DIM!!!
how the f@@k can someone come in to work when their on a/l
why dont you go the whole hog and tell em you dont want any holidays
clowns
Fair point but if your really short of cash and struggling with bills why not come in and work a day or two as you will not be able to afford take the family away anyway.
We get offered 2.30 for half a walk or a full 4.00 if you take out half the OT walks absorbtion
NO,NO ,NO ,NO
your on annual leave + are you insured (by royal mail) if you have an accident
check it out pal
smileski wrote:I can't see him getting in any trouble at all for this, i have come in to work on various days during AL before.
Surely it's no different to working your day off, as someone else said his superiors will be pleased he covered the duties.
It takes more than that to get rid of DIM!!!
how the f@@k can someone come in to work when their on a/l
why dont you go the whole hog and tell em you dont want any holidays
clowns
Fair point but if your really short of cash and struggling with bills why not come in and work a day or two as you will not be able to afford take the family away anyway.
We get offered 2.30 for half a walk or a full 4.00 if you take out half the OT walks absorbtion
NO,NO ,NO ,NO
your on annual leave + are you insured (by royal mail) if you have an accident
check it out pal
Errm not sure really
If you work for the company and on the premises on A/L would you be covered
As far as iam aware you are covered ok for a rest day so would there be any difference.
For me personally as i live out of my DO area and i would not travel in these days. However 10 years ago when my life was not goign so well the chance to work a few of my AL days or sit at home worring about bills coming in would not have been such an easy option to turn down.
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
The Way forward agreement still holds the field before,(now) and after,(if) the new agreement comes in.
Taking Leave
Employees may not attend the office whilst on annual or other leave. This means that employees may not attend the office to work overtime or Scheduled Attendance.
The rep was quite right in upholding the agreement. We cannot take the bits we want off agreements and use the bits that benefit us.If you cannot get duties covered...there is a problem with the amount of reserve vacancies.The overtime that those members earned is a short term fix.That office in particular is not following the Interim Agreement on vacancies.
I do hope those members who came in "took their piece of silver",and will not cry about "management not following national agreements" when it flipping well suits them.
.....and it is quite typical of blaming someone else.....the buck stops.......
The problem here is the members being so fecking sad they came into work whilst on A/L.
Im a rep and my first port of call would have been towards the people on A/L second port the DOM asking him to send the people home who were on A/L .
Why because it shouldnt have happen and the DOM knows this and he was in the wrong for doing what he did. Obviously in your office your resourses are not right if they were this wouldnt of happened.
I myself would ring my area rep, my intentions of informing my area rep would not to have my DOM sacked but to log his actions and to make sure it doesnt happen again and these would of been your own reps intentions not those of getting your dom the boot.
Sometimes the lads in the office make the reps job at times impossible .This has happened once in our office and it really does bug me when people dont take there leave entiltment.
So your rep hasnt stitched up your manager hes done it to himself you reap what you sow in this life .
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”
happymackem wrote:
your on annual leave + are you insured (by royal mail) if you have an accident
check it out pal
yes you are covered by the liability insurance in the event of an accident whilst you are at work, there is no exclusion in the policy which cstates you are not if you are working during time that off for annual leave that you opted to work instead
Wrong I am afraid.I have legally represented members whilst performing ANY overtime and lost legal cases because they were on voluntary labour.If they had been on leave at the time I would not have even claimed.
What the DOM has done is illegal,we had this down our way last year,the posties all got their holidays back as well as earning the docket,and our local managers were bollocked for it.
Very very suprised it's still going on.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
"Taking Leave
Employees may not attend the office whilst on annual or other leave. This means that employees may not attend the office to work overtime or Scheduled Attendance."
I know that is the policy but is there a problem with working when leave had been booked and then deferring the days leave to a later date ?
drb wrote:Wrong I am afraid.I have legally represented members whilst performing ANY overtime and lost legal cases because they were on voluntary labour.If they had been on leave at the time I would not have even claimed.
sorry i still maintain that i am correct, with no disrepect meant but please back up your claim with proof, either quote the relevant exclusion from RMs liabilty insurance or provide the case details used as the precedent in the cases you have represented that the judge at court threw out
Obviously I cannot quote names or case numbers.I was talking about settlement cases.Voluntary labour and accidents whilst on them have always been a loser for our branch.These cases are when members were not even on annual leave,(they were in your case).
The trouble was getting a statement from the ovetime issuer(the manager),to say that he "called the individual to perform the overtime".On all cases they would not give a statement.
Once we argued that the claimant was "called" by Royal Mail they would produce all of their overtime stating that "did the business call them these times too?"
I am not saying what I think.Just telling you what actually happened in these cases
drb wrote:Obviously I cannot quote names or case numbers.I was talking about settlement cases.Voluntary labour and accidents whilst on them have always been a loser for our branch.These cases are when members were not even on annual leave,(they were in your case).
The trouble was getting a statement from the ovetime issuer(the manager),to say that he "called the individual to perform the overtime".On all cases they would not give a statement.
Once we argued that the claimant was "called" by Royal Mail they would produce all of their overtime stating that "did the business call them these times too?"
I am not saying what I think.Just telling you what actually happened in these cases
Shocking
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
