Has Bob Gibson met with RM yet over Election Payments.

[gb93]

On numerous threads about payment for election material and the agreement about payments.

Many members seem not to be getting payments contrary to agreement on election material payments.

In particular polling cards seem to be a thorny issue causing great confusion throughout country.

Some getting paid when they come in 2nd class some not, and the great unknown if they come in DSA.

Now saw a LTB by Bob Gibson sent out last week asking for a meeting with RM this week about the issue of payment for polling cards when they come in DSA.

Has the meeting took place, Or have RM agreed to a meeting, And could this be viewed as indicitive of the new era of trust.

Has an agreement not been adhered to by RM yet again, ANYTHING CHANGED ?

[steven100]

You may find that most people have delivered their polling cards.

[Body Beyond Repair]

Would like to know also why it differs its a f***ing joke.......... another national agreement ignored.

[POSTMAN]

Would like to know also why it differs its a f***ing joke.......... another national agreement ignored.

It's actually different because it's IN the national agreement funny enough,or not funny enough...

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[gb93]

It might be different in the price per item you get, This i dont agree with but can live with.

But it clearly states A payment is due, Why is this not happening, after Bob Gibson has been made aware, same old story.

"2010 & BEYOND" NOTHING HAS CHANGED !!! EXCEPT NOW BOTH SIDES CANT BE TRUSTED.

[POSTMAN]

It might be different in the price per item you get, This i dont agree with but can live with.

But it clearly states A payment is due, Why is this not happening, after Bob Gibson has been made aware, same old story.

"2010 & BEYOND" NOTHING HAS CHANGED !!! EXCEPT NOW BOTH SIDES CANT BE TRUSTED.

2010.... is not in yet But hey,in the next election,you'll be posting the same thing anyway.

[gb93]

If i havent suffered at the hands of "natural wastage" by then .

[Martin Walsh]

Yes bob has been constant contact with royal mail on everything from polling cards , dsa and now a Tory d2d drop. He is also busy at the workshops. Some of the issues are resolved some are still being discussed. Royal mail are under pressure as they have a legal requirement to deliver them .

Now whilst we are at it was only few years ago that we did not have a national election agreement and some parts of the uk were absorbing them whilst places like London were getting top dollar for them . We decided as a union to ensure we got a national agreement which meant everyone benifited from the new agreement . People seem to forget things like this when they have a go at the union .

[gb93]

The union can get all the agreements they want from RM, all hard fought for no doubt by the we are strong brigade.

But they are worth didly squat when RM either totally ignore them or have a totally different interpretation.

The polling card debacle is just a fraction of what is to come in 2010 & Beyond.

While Bob Gibson "is busy" members are being shafted left right and centre throughout the country.

[guvenor]

what is the current state of poll cards via dsa paid for or not paid for to deliver the cards
the membership should be told

[dazzlin72]

Got polling cards, and electoral letters today both first class. Manager said have two days to deliver polling cards without payment. Can't see me being able to get them all completed tomorrow within my time. Already getting shafted over election material now, wait till next election we wont get any payment at all.

[jockstrapp]

Received polling cards, given three days to deliver and a payment of 4.5p per door

[kath17265]

our polling cards came in 1st class , was told no extra payments

[Big Daz]

National Agreement covering the Delivery of Election Material

1) Introduction

This agreement between Royal Mail and the CWU is in line with the commitment made in the Pay and Major Change Agreement dated 19 December 2003. It introduces a new national standard payment and procedure for the delivery of election material as required by that agreement (see Appendix B section 4 sub Para d).

2) Scope of this Agreement

This agreement covers all addressed and un-addressed free election communications marked “ELECTION COMMUNICATION” and Poll Cards (excluding Proxy Poll Cards). It replaces all previous national and / or local agreements covering the delivery of election materials and poll cards from the date of this agreement.

3) Delivery Specification

Addressed items: delivery to take place within 3 working days from receipt (including Saturdays). (Except certain elections relating to Europe where it may be extended to 7 days from receipt.)

Un-addressed items: delivery to take place within 7 working days from receipt (including Saturdays).

The impact of delivering this letter traffic will be excluded from normal workload calculations.

All other operational issues will be dealt with at local level in line with the IR Framework.

4) Payments

All existing local payments covering the delivery of election material as stated in paragraph 2 above will remain in place, and in accordance with this agreement, with the following exceptions.
1. The minimum payment for delivering election material will be 3p per item.
2. The maximum payment for delivering election material will be 6.6p per item.
3. All hours based schemes will be converted to pence per item schemes and then the criteria in 1 and 2 above will be applied. Where delivery offices have introduced a SDD revision since the last delivery of election material then the following formula will be applied prior to the criteria in 1 and 2 above being applied.

Previous no. Walks X O/T hours per walk e.g. 35 X 2 hrs hours = 3.5hrs
Current no. of Walks 20

4. In those Units where there are two payments e.g. 4.5p for the first three parties and 1.67p for additional parties the minimum payment will become 3p with any payments over this amount being retained.
5. In those Units where there is a mixture of hours and pence per item based payments the process in 4) 3. above will be followed for the hours based element, with the process in 4) 4. above then being applied.

Where election material items exceed 20g in weight a further 0.5p will be payable.

These revised payments apply from the date of this agreement and cover all election material as identified above. They are payable on an individual basis, and are not affected by any collective criteria/responsibility.

5) Quality Commitment

The payments are based on the requirement that all election material will be delivered in accordance with the delivery specification set out in paragraph 3. Where the specification is not achieved for any party/candidate then the payment for that party/candidates material will not be due.

6) Special Circumstances

It is jointly recognised that Royal Mail has a legal obligation to secure the delivery of election material for all nominated candidates and parties.

Whilst it is expected that delivery will be made by the individual due to undertake the particular delivery, local management will deal sensitively and sympathetically with genuine requests to deviate from this arrangement.

Such cases may arise as a result of personal circumstances or beliefs or where an individual believes that delivery of a particular item may incur personal risk.

If such instances arise alternative measures will be used to secure delivery. These may include the use of volunteers from within the office or neighbouring offices to cover more than one delivery or, as a last resort, the use of supplementary resource.

Both parties undertake to co-operate fully in the application of these principles and in resolving any difficulties that may arise surrounding the delivery of election material.

Signed ………………………… Signed………………………………
On behalf of Royal Mail On behalf of Communication Workers Union



Signed………………………….. Signed………………………………
On behalf of Royal Mail On behalf of Communication Workers Union


Date ………………………… Date………………………….

[POSTMAN]

Yes bob has been constant contact with royal mail on everything from polling cards , dsa and now a Tory d2d drop. He is also busy at the workshops. Some of the issues are resolved some are still being discussed. Royal mail are under pressure as they have a legal requirement to deliver them .

Now whilst we are at it was only few years ago that we did not have a national election agreement and some parts of the uk were absorbing them whilst places like London were getting top dollar for them . We decided as a union to ensure we got a national agreement which meant everyone benifited from the new agreement . People seem to forget things like this when they have a go at the union .

Well if he's busy get someone else involved!
dingo,we have the same thing every time there is an election of some sort,RM are taking the piss up and down the country.
You say we seem to forget this and that,but there's no good having a national agreement on ANYTHING if RM are ignoring it!

You've got contacts,any chance of a word?